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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
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 Posted - 05 Jul 2004 : 08:00:43 AM
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Ok I cant find them, who knows where they are and what do we need to do to get them?
I do hear they dont like being put with Unlimited Classics, they dont like being given the "Bird " by some riders, they dont feel safe or welcome.
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John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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Former Member
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Posted - 05 Jul 2004 : 1:14:16 PM
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| PCRA of NSW site lists 125cc entries for their next meeting as 4 Post Classic and 1 Forgotten Era. Not a very good sign from a large state. One of their members tried to get a National Register for 125's going but I've not heard anything else about it. |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
2147 Posts |
Posted - 05 Jul 2004 : 5:09:06 PM
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| The favourite 125 in the early 70s was the TA125. I believe there are still a few about (the man in Wangaratta has one), also Buster Saunders still has a 125 Morbidelli, they were quicker than TZ250s. |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 05 Jul 2004 : 11:51:17 PM
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| We need facts not rumours. Just let the 125 riders know we will welcpme them and if they have problems with event mixes, talk to us. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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matcho mick
Advanced Member
New South Wales
570 Posts |
Posted - 18 Jul 2004 : 10:01:01 PM
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i wonder if potential Historic 125's riders had/have been diverted to buckets ,probably a lot easier,freer formula too,more readily,cheaply (initially?) available suitable bikes than pure race bikes?,late 80's/early 90's were pretty good times for all 125 classes,but since the advent of buckets there has been a steady decline,whereas buckets,& now motolites are getting bigger numbers every meeting,leastways up here NSW lately,merely an observation!! |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
2147 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jul 2004 : 1:08:58 PM
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| Why wouldn't we combine 125cc racers with buckets in the same races? Aren't they almost the same thing? If we needed separate trophies - so? |
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matcho mick
Advanced Member
New South Wales
570 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jul 2004 : 10:02:51 PM
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| Al,oranges & apples spring to mind reguarding similar features between "period" racers & buckets,(excepting buckets that comply with post classic requirements?),most have fairly upspec brakes,frame mods etc,most have very modern bodywork,besides they deserve their stand alone status,dilution of the classes helps no one! |
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Allan
Site Moderator
National
599 Posts |
Posted - 31 Jul 2004 : 08:27:48 AM
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 found in corner of workshop one C92 honda almost complete motor/gear box complete best offer proceeds to classicmotorcycling.com.au web running costs! |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
2147 Posts |
Posted - 31 Jul 2004 : 10:18:59 AM
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Mick, when you mention 'dilution of classes', I believe you are reinforcing the idea that bikes of similar periods should run together, and bikes of other periods be excluded.
At least the New Zealanders are getting smarter, and group bikes by capacity, so that the guys get competitive rides against bikes of the same size.
Noone would expect someone to ride a 1950s Bantam against a 1990 RS125, but a 125 Bantam with all the Japanese internals could certainly have a go with a TA125.
There just weren't ever many 125s around in the 50s in Australia. I believe the Poms raced a lot of Bantams, but the rules were very tight - no 5 speed gearboxes, jap pistons and barrels, or any of that garbage. |
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matcho mick
Advanced Member
New South Wales
570 Posts |
Posted - 31 Jul 2004 : 9:45:10 PM
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Hi Alan,funny you should mention 5 speed bantams/TA's,back in late 80's i used to race AS1 gyt kitted yammy,my main rival was a bantam with TZ internals,ports, 6 speed box,the lot,in combined P3/P4 125 races,i could guarantee my 2nd place everytime,it actually was the reason 125's were confined to 'up to 250' races,(embarrassed quite a few 500's up till then!),and soon the demise of the class altogether,as no one seemed to want 2nd/3rd place trophies anymore?,it continued into the 90's with sporadic appearances,but soon in NSW at least there was no one left to play with!,i was racing a pushrod MV125 up till about 95,just for something different on the track as i do now with the 250,theres still a few bantams around,the one with external extra gear case,another with reversed barrell,seem to see a couple at P/isle in Jan meet every year!,couple of bullies,odd moto Bi,Peter's montesa,(a good quick combination there!),not too many hondas' anymore,(P3)genuine ones are a bit rare,mostly in collections i guess?,P4 125's are reasonable in numbers,again mostly down south,always a few turn up at Sth classic,& P/Isle(speaking of which,mate of mine received entry form for P/Isle classic the other day,only thing was it's dated for 03 meeting? ),getting back to the subject,i think it's ok to combine classes up to a point,but apart from the odd good combo,(rider/bike),but the next class up is always going to flog/dominate the earlier class,(isn't that why the classes(periods) cut off point is an inbuilt protection against exactly that), a real catch 22 eh?,combine them!,good numbers for promoters/spectators,and again risk alienating the slower bikes?,combining P3 125's with prewar allpowers always seemed a fair balance to me,125's had the corner speed,pre war had the straights,spectators could readily distiguish between the two,but maybe prewars getting too big in numbers itself for that to work now?,so no real answers here from this little black duck?,just an insight to how it was for me? |
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ChrisB
Level 1 Member
Victoria
12 Posts |
Posted - 01 Aug 2004 : 01:54:22 AM
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Alan/John/Mick..(this is my first posting so bear with me)
I personaly don't have any problem with running against bigger bikes, it is not the races where the problems are, but in practice when the field is well and truly spread out, and fellow riders are entering the track at differing times during the session, this is the only time I have had to put up with getting my doors blown off by the likes of a T-Rex Honda! (and it wasn't him lapping me) the scary thing is you just don't hear them coming up behind you, and as you know some guys being that familiar with our local circuits don't often treat that first lap of practice with the due care and attention it and other competitors on the track sometimes deserve (especially if they have started the session late). As far as races, up to 350, or 500 is not a drama with the 125's and in our 4 or 5 lap races round the likes of Winton or Broadford hardly any of us will be lapped, instead enjoy our own private battle at the back! |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 01 Aug 2004 : 08:59:48 AM
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| Will you come along to the Southern Classic on 2/3 October2004 at Broadford? |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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David
Site Administrator
Australia
999 Posts |
Posted - 02 Aug 2004 : 10:23:23 AM
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Well thats quite nice of you there Allan.. It would be nice to get some support for the site.quote:
Originally posted by Allan
found in corner of workshop one C92 honda almost complete motor/gear box complete best offer proceeds to classicmotorcycling.com.au web running costs!
Only since I have lost my job and need to keep it running.
So if some one wants to put a bid on the bike offered by Allan, I will be setting up an Auction page in the next few days, and you can bid on the 125 Allan has for sale.
This will also help to get another 125 on the track.
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Regards,
David
Webmaster & Owner of Classic Motorcycling Australia
Quote: I thought I wanted a career, turns out I just wanted to be paid. |
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