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john
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Victoria
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 Posted - 16 Aug 2004 : 11:17:13 PM
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Somewhere else somebody mentioned smoking in the pits.
I noticed at Eastern Creek this weekend signs prohibiting smoking in the pits and above the pit lane were all ignored. I have notived the same crass behaviour at Phillip Island, Broadford and Winton.
Do we have to wait until a major fire happens before we do anything, I have been burnt on my machine by fire started by one of them years ago.
Maybe we need to beat up a couple of these knuckle heads because they just dont acre, I have bikes being refueled by smokers.
I notice in the Isle of NMann sup. regs a complete ban on smokeing with provision to have them charged under fuel safety laws. It does happen.
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John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
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Posted - 17 Aug 2004 : 11:20:37 AM
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| the Victorian Workcover Authority have regularly attended the GPs at Phillip Island and Albert Park. Their Field Officers have similar powers to police and can also call on the police for assistance. Coming to a circuit near you in the near future! If they find a situation or there's an incident, they'll probably take the circuit owner/promoter to task, as well as offenders.. |
Is your machine authentic or merely eligible? |
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Posted - 01 Sep 2004 : 7:22:32 PM
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Without denigrading your Topic, in 36 years of local and International Racing, I have never seen a fire started by a smoker!
I have seen fires started by welding, brazing,crashes,batteries shorting, fuel spilt on hot exhausts etc, and engines back-firing through the carbs.
I have no doubt it has happened, but where and when, one of those 'Urban Myths' perhaps?
But hey, whatever blows your hair back I guess! |
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honda
Level 1 Member
Victoria
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Posted - 23 Feb 2005 : 09:46:32 AM
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| At Phillip Island this year I also saw people smoking in the vicinity of large quantaties of racing fuel a recipe for disaster ,don't you think? Do we wait until someone is badly disfigured from burns and our sport is critisized for being slack regarding safety,or do we help the organizers of events by going about our racing as safely as possible. Forget about the fact that "It has not happened yet",because with that attitude it "will" happen and that will be too often.Due to legislation governing racing,one fire caused by smoking will have far reaching repercussions and make us all look like dills. |
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racer7
Level 2 Member
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Posted - 24 Feb 2005 : 9:25:29 PM
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I reiterate this comment made a long time ago!
Without denigrading your Topic, in 36 years of local and International Racing, I have never seen a fire started by a smoker!
I have seen fires started by welding, brazing,crashes,batteries shorting, fuel spilt on hot exhausts etc, and engines back-firing through the carbs.
I have no doubt it has happened, but where and when, one of those 'Urban Myths' perhaps?
But hey, whatever blows your hair back I guess!
So where and when did it happen? Witnesses? Or are you on a Crusade?
Stick to Classic Racing, stop the Politicking! At the MOTOGP, October 2004, the Mechanics were smoking> These machines are worth more then yours, wouldn't the Factories insist NO SMOKING?
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
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Posted - 25 Feb 2005 : 5:45:50 PM
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Listen new boy.
As Secretary I am told all sorts of stories about all sorts of issues. Each person is pushing one cause or another.I dont know who to believe.
As Secretary I believe it is my role to find where support is or is not and test the water.
Thats why I started talking about the Philosophy of Racing, Smoking in the pits, 500 CC single sols and many other topics if you read through this forum.
It is one of the ways I get knowledge about topics.
It does not need a responce that compares one bike with another.
For the record I have been set on fire in the pits, by a smoker and I have seen blokes killed when welding on "empty" fuel tanks that exploded and I have seen bikes on fire but we dont seem to be prepared very well for any fire no matter how it is started.
There is no crusade, just a deliberate attempt to see if people think about the subject.
I can say other reports I have had indicate that most people are not concerned about it so it is a subject I am not bothering with. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
Edited by - john on 25 Feb 2005 10:00:46 PM |
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Former Member
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Posted - 25 Feb 2005 : 11:37:02 PM
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| as a non smoker i find it a bit annoying when someone is leaning over my shoulder with a smoke in their mouth as i'm working on a bike, its even werse when i'm re-fueling the race bike... |
There are those who do, those who used to do and those who never did..
why is this 3rd group always trying to convince everyone they know best? |
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Alan
Forum Moderator
Western Australia
353 Posts |
Posted - 26 Feb 2005 : 12:08:27 AM
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My understanding is that smoking is not permitted in the pits which I personally agree with. Our club enforces this rule as far as it can with the limited resources we have.
Alan Sidecar 21 WA |
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honda
Level 1 Member
Victoria
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Posted - 26 Feb 2005 : 11:51:36 AM
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Reply to Racer 7
Accident : Fuel explosion,bystanders burnt,Destroyed motorcycle
When: 10 years ago.
Location: In my back yard.
Time :Saturday afternoon.
Witnesses :Me and me mates.
Cause: Don't know only thing known was he was holding a smoke when he filled the petrol tank.
Result: Disslike of cigarette/ fuel combination
Seems I've seen the only other way to set fire to a motorcycle.
Crusade :Not yet.
Politicking: Whats common sence got to do with Politics.
At the MOTOGP the organisers are responsible for safety of the people and not safety of the bikes.If mechanics were smoking near fuel then they shouldn't .Simple as that
I wonder if the Formular 1 organization has a similar attitude to smoking near fuel.
To John
Thanks for raising the issue and keep up the good work.Unfortunately as with most things in life sometimes some people have to be saved from themselves, for the good of everyone.At race meetings that must be the people running the event.
Finally, I find it hard to believe anyone thinks it is OK to smoke near fuel. |
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matcho mick
Advanced Member
New South Wales
570 Posts |
Posted - 28 Feb 2005 : 12:26:06 AM
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geezas,the proverbial smoking gun!!!!  ,hey s/car 21,finished the bus mate?,(sorry about the missed call,i think i sat on me phone?)  |
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racer7
Level 2 Member
67 Posts |
Posted - 04 Mar 2005 : 11:01:06 PM
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Dear "john"
New Boy due to lack of posts perhaps, but not to racing. 37 years now of local and International racing a 'New Boy" ?
Geez, you must ROOOOOOLY be old!
Mate I've rubbed shoulders and raced against more greats then you've had breakfasts!
Only 7 posts, as you perpetual 'see your name on posts' carry on with arguements not important to the great unwashed.
Why not spend your energy promoting the sport instead of some personal like/ dislike?
10 years ago, your shed etc etc.
Yeah right, but like I said, whatever blows your hair back I guess.
Settle back in the rocker now
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 05 Mar 2005 : 09:26:26 AM
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I think that would be a good idea. I am rooolly rooly old and cunning.
As for your breakfasts, etc ridicule of others is not a clever way of self promotion.
I reckon we must have rubbed shoulders at Bathurst in 1972/ 3 perhaps.
As for promoting the sport I believe I have a good record for doing that and I guess that is something else lacking in your repitore.
And I guess if people are scared about topics they want to ignore thats their scene.
I take it you may be a smoker, they dont care about anybody else anyway.
But you may have noticed I reported that there was not a lot of support one way or another for the topic to worry about it at this stage and maybe we will not have a probelm anyway.
So sleep tight and keep the butts in a tray. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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racer7
Level 2 Member
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Posted - 05 Mar 2005 : 9:59:26 PM
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Yeah Bathurst, but I was young then. No I'm not a smoker. People who come near me in the Pits smoking are told to go away and finish their smoke, then come in and chat. Self promotion? No! Too old, too slow, scared of pain now! I have the trophies and the scars, the pics, most important the memories of great guys, great times, and BBQ's in the paddocks of Europe. Sorry, I mean no disrespect to you, but living in Qld where our Premier rams B/S down our throat at every opportunity like saving us from Skin cancer and the like, I just think that in this ever decreasing World of choice and responsibility , let the bloody smokers be. Except in my Pits! (and Yours?)
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 06 Mar 2005 : 09:09:10 AM
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Yeah I will take that.
Have you blokes ever thought of coming down to the Southern Classsic 1/ 2 Octpober. Youcould leave your bikes here and later go to Tassie if it is on? |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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