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acotrel
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Victoria
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 Posted - 09 Mar 2004 : 05:10:07 AM
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Last weekend I watched a P3/P4 event at the Interclub at Winton. There were SIX bikes on the grid. In the larger 'moderns' class there was a full grid of about 35. While this was on there were about 15 bikes left in the pits. Makes the total for the meeting about 60 entrants.
Some time ago I wrote to the organisers of this event asking that our club (WMC) be invited to participate.
When I approached the person running this meeting, he apologised for not answering the letter. He said the number of clubs running in the Interclub was limited by MV.
I said I would take action to have the number changed, and he said the organisers were interested in 'just covering costs', and didn't want a big field at their meeting. He added that if I wanted to run at the Interclub, I could join one of the clubs already involved!
I understand this group often complains about the cost of hiring the circuit!!
PRETTY BL**DY PATHETIC, I SAY!!!
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john
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Victoria
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Posted - 09 Mar 2004 : 09:58:17 AM
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| Alan, you may get a better result if you worked within the MV system and had the rules amended if there is support for the idea generally. Also I noticed the sidecars sufferred with only 3 outfits attending. We need to do something or we will be sitting in lounge chairs soon, remembering the days when we used to race 3 wheeled vehicles. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
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Posted - 09 Mar 2004 : 2:00:20 PM
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I believe MV is not the problem with the Interclub - most of it is the petty jealousy between Sandringham, Hartwell, and anyone else who wants to get involved.
When I spoke to Peter Wright about increasing the number of clubs in the Interclub, he seemed quite amenable to the idea. The statement made at both the Interclub, and the Hartwell club round (last year)was that they didn't want 'too many riders, and just wanted to cover costs'.
What a lot of B*LLSH*T!! Rejection of Winton Motorcycle Club from both rounds is purely based on jealousy, and a desire to increase membership numbers in the clubs already participating!!
John - As for 'working within the MV system', could you please enlighten me as to how that works? Seems everyone in the motorcycling world is bl**dy illiterate, and won't answer letters!!
I suggest the requests I made to both Sandringham and Hartwell Clubs were APPROPRIATE, PROPER AND CORRECT PROCEDURE!! NEITHER CLUB ANSWERED!!
Incidentally, the Hartwell Club round last year at Winton had about 70 riders present, the Interclub this year had about the same!! SO WHAT'S THE STORY???
I think I might take up sailing!! At least we get to drink p*ss, and chase the ladies!! |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
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Posted - 09 Mar 2004 : 2:09:33 PM
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| I'm getting a bit serious about this Interclub and Hartwell Club thing! I think I might start discussing it with the circuit owners, and talk about who gets to use the four circuits in Victoria!! |
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Allan
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National
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Posted - 09 Mar 2004 : 6:49:54 PM
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| Alan; these rule's were made years ago and have worked as they had the backing of those clubs who made up the fields for inter club. Hartwell was big enough to run their own club day racing, and the inter club was started so 5 ? smaller clubs could have a small inter run races "Bunty" did a very good job of running these meetings under the rules set by MA vic Why should another club bugger things up for the inter club meet's. mac park can run their own club meeting's so why carn't winton do the same as mac park, being a track owner!!Leave alone or another part of racing well go down the drain!! |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
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Posted - 10 Mar 2004 : 6:56:44 PM
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How will participation of six more riders from WMC bugger up the Interclub? What a load of CR*P. There would have been SEVEN riders in the P3/P4 event instead of SIX!! There would have been 39 riders in the modern events instead of 34!! Go easy on me, am I BL**DY STUPID or something??
You can't run a meeting with 60 riders and pay $3000 for the track hire, it just doesnt work.
Both the Hartwell Club round and the Interclub aren't doing much to promote the cause of motorcycle racing. Look back to the seventies and remember how many C graders turned up to every meeting!! Where are these numbers now? Even though there are more guys on road bikes than ever before?? It certainly isn't reflected in the number of guys racing!! SO YOU TELL ME WHY AREN'T THEY RACING NOW??
I bet you can't even tell me who is the current Australian Superbike Champion - hint: lives near Shepparton! |
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john
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Victoria
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Posted - 11 Mar 2004 : 5:01:15 PM
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| Alan, you should not ask those questions, you might get answers you did not expect!!. But I dont know the history, but perhaps a call / chatto the clubs is all thats needed I dont know. They have their reasons and some how you may need to see if they want to change their attitude. I am not signalling anything here, but I am aware that doors for the HMRAV have been openning slowly lately as we have become active at meetings etc. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
2147 Posts |
Posted - 12 Mar 2004 : 05:59:31 AM
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I suggest we have a real problem in the motorcycling world. HMRAV shouldn't have to prise 'open the doors', they should already be wide open! I'm dismayed that the clubs can be so shortsighted that they would intentionally exclude others from their meetings unless they belong to the club conducting the event or a member group.
There just isn't that much overall involvement in racing that we can take that luxury.
When I talked to Graham Lang he mentioned the '200 entries' that Harwell gets to their club rounds. I was present at last years round and I only remember about 70. We havent had 200 riders at a meeting since the seventies, I believe!! (Except perhaps the VRRChampionships run by Preston Club - Good effort!)
I suggest EVERYBODY involved in road racing should be working to reverse the current trend away from the sport! We should be trying to get people involved, not turn them away!!
I congratulate HMRAVs efforts, keep up the good work! |
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john
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Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 12 Mar 2004 : 2:44:22 PM
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| Alan, its simple people behave badly and doors are closed. They get pissed and wonder why nobody wants to play. I have been made aware of some clubs and people that will carry grudges for years. Thats the way it is in Motorcycle Racing as I have observed since I became involved. I mentioned a car event to a Preston bloke and he went mad about how Preston had worked hard toget the bitumen for Broadfrd and he was damned if any car was going on the circuit. When I waited for him to get a breath I explained we were talkig about Austin 7's weighing less than sidecars he paused enough for me to get more details to him. but his mind was initially closed, without even listening to the idea. That the way it is. I am concious of how you think it shoild be, but thigs are different and no amount of loud talk will change it, we need to prove ourselves with action. I think thats how its worked for us. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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popeye
Level 2 Member
Western Australia
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Posted - 12 Mar 2004 : 7:13:26 PM
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There were about 100 bikes of all classes at last w/ends Hartwell meet at Mac Park, it was a great meeting and the numbers were indicative of the extra distance competitors had to come, I dont know where their main member base is but they put on a great show and some tasty bikes, we saw our first T-rex (put it in formula Xtreme) and Cath got to see ultralights/Buckets (has anyone got an expansion chamber they dont need for our KH100 shopping trolley???).
As with all clubs/incorporated bodies, the people who wield the power are a little on the shy side of being seen to relax it and when you are dealing with our particular passions there is not much room in some minds to see benefits in co-operative ventures. |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
2147 Posts |
Posted - 12 Mar 2004 : 7:42:40 PM
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Someone who 'should know' said to me recently, 'People in not for profit organisations often play the big power game. They should get a life!'. Actually I started up the Winton Motorcycle club a couple of years back. When it came time to elect a president, I stood aside. The reason was I've had enough of power games in my life. I've left it to Mick Ronke etc, they're much better at it than I am. I've agreed to take the job of Secetary (that's UNION spelling).
We've all got to learn to trust and delegate authority!
I don't believe paranoia has much of a place amongst motorcyclists. |
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