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Former Member
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 Posted - 11 Jul 2004 : 10:32:58 PM
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it will cost around $10,000 for a 1000cc engine for a period 4 Honda, if you want to win.
forget the 450cc piston kited 840's as used in the era, you wont stand a chance other than finishing in the top 10.
and i have seen the trex bikes beaten by a Triumph at P.I but i'd hate to think what that bike was worth or what actual capacity it was.
how you can say this will decrease field sizes is not what many people thing.
historic racing should be a 'snap shot' of racing history. representing what was actually there, not what people would like to believe was.
but we're all entitled to opinion's on the direction of our sport, let's keep them coming. |
There are those who do, those who used to do and those who never did..
why is this 3rd group always trying to convince everyone they know best? |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 12 Jul 2004 : 08:09:12 AM
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| Trifield 12 can you make a written submission to the Vic Historic Management Commission so your viewpoint is on the table please? |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
2147 Posts |
Posted - 12 Jul 2004 : 11:05:23 AM
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| John, What is the mailing address for the Vic Historic Management Committee? |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 12 Jul 2004 : 12:46:07 PM
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Either email myself or postal to Vic. Historic Management Committee, P.O. Box 414, Clifton Hill, 3058
Remember I have been calling for submissions for a while and we are meeting tommorrow night at Clifton Hill to discuss things and make the Victorian Submission. Dont forget to put some good words in for the sidecars. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
2147 Posts |
Posted - 12 Jul 2004 : 3:28:20 PM
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John, I've sent you the following by separate email:
John here is my comment on the rule that will require engines to have capacities similar to that originally as supplied by the manufacturer:
I suggest that the rule is a good one however it should not be applied retrospectively to machines which are already logbooked, such as the Trex Hondas, the Triumph Trident from NSW, or the Chris Cutler Laverda
I believe the way to go is to encourage and develop the 750cc P4, and 700cc P3 classes. In all cases the eligibilty and capacity of the machine must be compatible with the limits for the races it competes in.
If the race organiser allows P4 and P5 machines to run in the same race, he must ensure that the machine is fully eligible as log booked, in either P4 or P5. (P5 machines may not use alcohol fuel.)
I suggest the practice of running 'unlimited' P4 races where machines like the 1000cc Hondas are on the grid with 250cc Ducatis should be discontinued (both P4 and P5). The replacing format should be 'up to 500cc P4 and P5', And 'up to 1100cc P4 and P5'.
I suggest we cannot afford to lose bikes like the TRex Hondas. They have become the P4 'benchmark', and a drawcard. Encouragement of the 750cc P4 class will provide opportunity for Triumph Tridents, Bonnevilles, Rocket 3s, Commandos and 'standard' Honda CB750s to 'have a go' without all the expense of building large engines (impossible in the case of many British machines). The 750s can run concurrently with the larger bikes already existing.
Best Regards,
Alan Cotterell |
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Posted - 23 Aug 2004 : 03:10:49 AM
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Well, I haven't been on the site for a few months, due to change of jobs and a major house renovation. I have been dying to get into the shed and finish my Honda/4 and get her race ready. After reading all the previous posts, I nearly had a heart attack, ran into the shed, sat down on my MASSIVE pile of gearbox's, cranks, big bore barrels, rods etc. and wept! Is there any one out there who wants to trade all my go fast gear for some original Honda/750 rear shocks with the chrome covers, original side covers, original candy apple red tank, original fork gaitors and chrome headlight brackets, and a complete original exhaust system??? THEN I would comply with the rules and be able to race! But who would want a balanced 900 crank and 1100r rods ? You won't be able to use them. Jeez, I'm just flabbergasted at all of this.
I have been racing since 1974, motorcross solo and outfits, Kawasaki 1100 superbikes, and currently my GSXR750. I mainly race interclub and club meetings and track day riding. I have wanted to race a T-REX honda for as long as the first time I saw Rex on his at Mallala years ago. So, I bought an older ex race honda with the carbs wheels etc. and an 836 kit. A good starting point. I have been concentrating on the handling side of things, like forks, shocks, geometry etc. and was just about to grab a set of Marzochi forks, and a REX alloy tank. I allready have most of the gear for a stroked big bore, which I was going to develop next year. I think I will hang off now.
I for one WILL NOT RACE if these rule changes prohibit big bore/stroked REX Honda's.
Bring in other classes, whatever, leave the unlimited as is and I and two other guys I have interested in the sport will be there. Otherwise I will be gone from the scene completely.
These bikes have been racing as is, bar a few hicups along the way, for years now. So why the sudden proposed changes?
I think I'd better think about this for a few days, its upset the crap out of me!
Ritchy.
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
2147 Posts |
Posted - 23 Aug 2004 : 03:55:53 AM
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| I don't seriously believe the Trex Hondas will ever be banned. Hopefully the period 3 700cc class, and the Period 4 750 class will both be promoted as championship events in the next couple of years, and this will provide racing for original capacity P4 bikes. Regardless of that, a Trex Honda would always be eligible to run in Period 5 Unlimited, and alcohol fuel should be permitted (the bike is actually pre 72). |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
2147 Posts |
Posted - 23 Aug 2004 : 04:06:11 AM
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| Ritchy, how do you think I feel when I front up to the grid in a P4 unlimited race with an 850 Norton? In the old days it would have absolutely cr*pped on a CB750! Bit of a raw deal when you're expected to have a 20 BHP penalty! So, like you, I DON'T RACE ANY MORE. Neither does Les Ayton or Keith Ashmore, and they're never likely to! |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 23 Aug 2004 : 08:14:16 AM
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You blokes are going around in circles.
Personnally I too, do not support the capacity proposal and neither does anybody else.
But if you dont keep in touch with your club secretary or read this site you will never get the good oil.
The date for proposals pased weeks ago. By the way Al we did not get the letter you promised, it may have arrived after the meeting. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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