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john
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Victoria
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 Posted - 24 Jun 2004 : 09:29:50 AM
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In talking with a few other club administrators it has come as a surprise to some of them that there is a difference between the methods in obtaining an adult race licence. There seems to be a process in place for juniors.
One event licence holders may never get checked for knowledge and ability in a routine manner, whereas Full Licence holders do.
I am aware that many one event licence holders have made insurance claims, so there may be a case for improvemnts.
Personnally I dont mind about the testing, but what do others think?
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John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
Edited by - john on 24 Jun 2004 4:05:06 PM |
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acotrel
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Victoria
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Posted - 24 Jun 2004 : 3:26:44 PM
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There is a Standards Australia working group which will be deveoping risk management guidelines for the motor racing industry. One area under consideration is competencies of competitors and officials.
I'm sure that one day riders will have to prove they are competent to ride in races.
Single event licences should only be isued to 'experienced' riders, i.e. have raced in a specified number of events prior to the licence being issued.
What is MA doing about this area? |
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Posted - 24 Jun 2004 : 9:53:01 PM
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| I thought that the whole intent of a 1 day license was for the novice rider to have a go at a club level event, this appears to have been abused in the past due to lax process. There should be no excuse for a rider to ride at a national level event with this type of license. Look at the way the British system works with the type of licenses available and level of competition |
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Posted - 25 Jun 2004 : 08:53:38 AM
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Alan,
are you in the Standards Australia working group? Can you post any further details about what they are looking at?
I am very interested in how it will effect officials and the running of a meeting. |
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john
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Victoria
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Posted - 25 Jun 2004 : 11:25:10 AM
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One event licences are not being used at National Events.
But at Club racing level, where the machines are often the same at open National meetings, one event licences are being used. Under these cercumstances, a rider can race at club level for years and never face a test of knowledge or skill. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
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Posted - 25 Jun 2004 : 3:09:53 PM
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Garry, The first meeting of the working group is to be held in August in Sydney. There was a forum held at Standards Australia during May. Both MA and CAMS, 2 State Coroners, Reps from about five race circuits, Workcover, NSW Police, Queensland Uni, were all present. The outcome of the meeting was a level of consensus that the program would move toward developing an application guide to AS4360 - Risk Management, for the Motor Racing Industry.
The Application Guide will probably cover circuit safety, competencies and vehicle safety, it may also eventually move onto promoter's/circuit owner's management systems.
Your question about training of officials has been mentioned and will certainly come in for attention sooner or later.
The whole subject of the application guide etc. is being treated with caution, and I believe progress will be slow, at least at first. |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
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Posted - 25 Jun 2004 : 3:16:37 PM
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| Garry, In answer to your first question - yes. |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
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Posted - 25 Jun 2004 : 3:32:42 PM
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John, A friend of mine was a top A grader in the sixties, and was Ron Toombs main competition in Victoria over about 5 years. He holds an International Licence. Should he be able to get a single event licence to ride a 350 Manx in historic events (open meetings)?
If he could get the S.I.licence, he'd be riding at a couple of meetings per year. |
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john
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Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jun 2004 : 09:01:20 AM
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| Single event licences are not permissible at Open National events. I understand others have tried to have this amended, but to no avail. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
2147 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jun 2004 : 6:13:23 PM
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| John, If there was an insurance problem with single event licences, I could understand resistance to the idea. However single event licences could do a lot towards getting old farts like myself back into historic racing. Sincerely, I only want to ride two times a year and I don't want to subsidise some young superbike rider to ride his ten or twelve meetings per year. I've already held a full licence for about ten or twelve years, back in the sixties/seventies. Isn't that enough? |
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acotrel
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Victoria
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Posted - 29 Jun 2004 : 6:24:24 PM
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John, I have a serious (non-sh*t stirring) comment to make about this single event isuue. It was the reason I made a certain disparaging remark about MA/MV, for which I sincerely apologise.
The fact is that about a couple of years ago I wrote to MA about single event licences. They acknowledged my letter, however I've never received any other response to my query. I heard from a couple of sources, two versions as to why the single event licences for historic races, were refused. One was that MX guys had complained that historic racers shouldn't have single event licences, if they couldn't. Another was an accusation that one of your own club members had telephoned MA and complained (I presume about safety aspects). Neither version makes much sense to me, but I'd really appreciate knowing the real reason single event licences for historic meetings, were knocked back. The problem doesn't seen to exist in SA, Mt Gambier Club run the 'oldies meeting' with single event licences. Isn't that an 'Open Meeting' ? |
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john
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Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jun 2004 : 10:43:49 PM
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| They may get you to join the local club as a member and then you can apply for a one event licence at a club meeting. As long as you pay for a full years membership when you apply it is kosher. Look at the supp regs that will tell you the story. Perhaps send me a copy and I can read them also out of curiosity. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
2147 Posts |
Posted - 30 Jun 2004 : 4:34:54 PM
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John, what you are describing is a 'dodge', and our sport shouldn't depend on that. The success of the 'oldies meeting' should tell us all something, and what I suggest it is, is 'one plus one equals two'. The 'oldies meeting' draws at least as many entries as a regular historic meeting, except they aren't the same competitors in most cases. Means to me that meetings held by your club could expect nearly double the number of entries if single event licences were available for ALL historic meetings.
There may be something wrong with the eligibilty rules which might also be keeping the old farts away from regular meetings - a simple questionaire issued at the next oldies meeting, would bring that to the surface. |
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