| Author |
 Topic  |
|
john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
 Posted - 26 Sep 2004 : 08:35:14 AM
|
Better still write to your State based Historic Management Committee. That is the democratic system that is in place, Club, HMC, Local Controlling body and then MA. If you go straight to MA, nobody else is aware oof who is interested, what they want and what they are doing. If you want democracy us ethe existing system.
As for a forum, wiser men and women than me have explained that they just turn into a fight. Letters are best at this satge. If a paid facilitator was employed you would get a better meeting, but at this stage nobody wants to pay foe one. I know because I proposed it a while ago. As for promoters we all talk with each other in Vic. at Motorcycling Victoria meetings regularly, and I am on the phone with Sydney and SA based ones as we build the knowlege base and experience, so we have that covered.
Car clubs ususally dont come along.
As for 750cc class there is now a class the the GCR's for this capacity, lets see how it goes?
Just as a byline, I thought the Yanks in their AMA had a limit of 750cc, not big bore.
|
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
 |
|
|
Former Member
deleted
72 Posts |
Posted - 26 Sep 2004 : 1:03:48 PM
|
the AMA introduced a 750cc capacity limit for their superbikes and F1 bikes from the start of 1983.
previous to this their capacity limit was 1025cc.
the rest of the world followed them the next year by restricting superbike and F1 bikes to 750cc for 1984. |
There are those who do, those who used to do and those who never did..
why is this 3rd group always trying to convince everyone they know best? |
|
|
|
Former Member
deleted
120 Posts |
Posted - 21 Oct 2004 : 10:21:13 PM
|
Now that I have to abide by commish Al's rules or get buried for ever I have a question a few of the guys rekon is a good one.
If Powroll first made and sold the 1080 kit for honda 4's in 1971 which they tell me is actually bigger than a lot of the Rex hondas then doesnt that make a big bore honda legal and if Action Fours did the same thing in 1972 then doesnt it make them even more legal. can i invite polite answers and suggest that if you dont really know anything about these kits then shutup. |
Jayne |
|
|
|
acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
2147 Posts |
Posted - 22 Oct 2004 : 11:00:52 AM
|
Jayne, The cutoff date for P4 is 1972. Prior to that date the biggest Hondas used 450 pistons and were 830cc. They used to give most other bikes a hard time except for kitted H2s. The Japauto Hondas were around in the early 70s. Are you suggesting we should build replicas? They'd be much lighter than the Trex Hondas.
The point is that we are racing bikes that 'didn't exist' in the period.
If one of the objectives is to preserve machines of historic importance, and recreate racing 'as it was in the era'. We are failing miserably.
We don't ever see a genuine CR750 these days. (Ask Tony Cacciotti about the Bill Patterson Honda CR750).
I suggest historic racing shouldn't be about what 'could have been'. It should be about what actually happened.
Best Regards,
P.S. I don't think Tony ever beat Pommy Pete on the Mussett Bonny, or the Trident. |
Is your machine authentic or merely eligible? |
|
|
|
john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 22 Oct 2004 : 1:45:41 PM
|
Powroll and Action Four sound interesting, do you have any data or contact points. As for what was happenning in the late 1971-72 period I was racing against them and we did not know what was happening, it is not a simple thing to say one thing or another did not happen. I was experimenting with 3 cylinder 2 stokes and we cant even remember what bits we used, we did not record the mistakes.
Ben Needham was talking to Steve Bayliss recently so he may remember some of the Honda 4 variations, I shall follow up.
|
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
|
|
|
Former Member
deleted
174 Posts |
Posted - 22 Oct 2004 : 1:57:27 PM
|
www.powroll.com
www.actionfours.com
neither company make the kits anymore and havnt for a while. |
Its not what you ride,Its how fast you ride it!!! |
|
|
|
acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
2147 Posts |
Posted - 22 Oct 2004 : 1:59:52 PM
|
| John, I believe one of the outfits you currently campaign was run by Stan Bayliss at Sandown in the early 70s. I seem to remember that he won a race then foreited the prize, refusing to have the bike measured? Would seem to indicate, the motor was a biggy. |
Is your machine authentic or merely eligible? |
|
|
|
john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 22 Oct 2004 : 3:15:27 PM
|
| I beat him at that meeting on the outfit hanging in the shed roof. I was the one who had to pull down the motor to prove I was not greater than the capacity permitted. I was running a Dalrac Suzuki 3 cyliner 2 stroke with about 600cc capacity but sometimes we went to 640cc but it was unreliable with our knowledge at the time with the "big Bore" donk. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
|
|
|
acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
2147 Posts |
Posted - 22 Oct 2004 : 10:08:28 PM
|
John, I was interested in the question in the Survey(1) which related to whether historic racing should be developmental. Seems to be an important question. InCA seems to be the ultimate result of the developmental approach. I haven't seen them race, however I'm interested in what a Manx ends up as if developed to the ultimate.
I suggest the 'development' question must eventually be answered or we will probably lose the 'historic' part of our sport. Could be, we need a panel of Historic Commissioners to review 'development' proposals? Perhaps there needs to be a separate class for 'developed' historic bikes? |
Is your machine authentic or merely eligible? |
|
|
|
acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
2147 Posts |
Posted - 22 Oct 2004 : 10:13:39 PM
|
| I seem to remember that Stan Bayliss actually finished first but said 'you're not going to measure my bike', and wheeled it away to the bus. Was that the race you won? Sorry I'm so vague about this but I seem to remember he was very fast on the day (as he usually was). His Honda outfit was immaculate, and very desirable. How close to original have you got it? |
Is your machine authentic or merely eligible? |
|
|
|
Topic |
|
Topic Locked
