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john
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Victoria
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 Posted - 21 Oct 2004 : 10:45:12 AM
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Somewhere in this forum somebody has said that that the GCR's only apply to Aussie Titles.
This seems abit of a stretch of the imagination.
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John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
Edited by - john on 23 Oct 2004 08:38:19 AM |
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Former Member
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Posted - 21 Oct 2004 : 4:00:34 PM
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I'm not too sure where this subject is leading John, perhaps I can stop it dead in the water. The GCR's apply to any event or activity sanctioned by MA, end of story.
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
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Posted - 22 Oct 2004 : 11:09:51 AM
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| MA would have to sanction any departures from the GCRs when arranging the permit for a meeting. I believe that MA say what goes when they are the insurer. Nobody is likely to run a meeting with insurance from a source other than MA, the cost would be prohibitive. |
Is your machine authentic or merely eligible? |
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Allan
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National
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Posted - 22 Oct 2004 : 12:18:59 PM
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| If in the rule book well that's the end no Q needed!! |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
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Posted - 22 Oct 2004 : 10:21:17 PM
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| The Trade Practices Act applies in some ways to this area. Declaring a meeting 'black', is outside the law. If a promoter gets insurance from another source, the insurer's requirements apply. In most cases the MA rules would be used anyway, as they are the benchmark, but that's not necessarily the case. |
Is your machine authentic or merely eligible? |
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john
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Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 23 Oct 2004 : 08:36:45 AM
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| Al, whats the Trade Practise stuff got to do with the GCR's. We are talking about MA / MV sanctioned meetings I thought because we dont have other types yet. Anyway who said we were declaring a meeting black, as for getting other insurance I am busy enough getting another brake calliper, I dont think these matters are relevant to the topic. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
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Posted - 23 Oct 2004 : 4:06:26 PM
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| John, there are few options available to promoters, as far as insurance for motorcycle events is concerned. I suggest the fact that the matter of the rules applicability is open to question indicates a failing in the GCR documentation. The GCR's should clearly state when they apply. The 'controlling body for motorsport in Australia' is CAMS, by their own words - (covers a large area ?). What do MA/MV claim their status to be? |
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trumpybob
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New South Wales
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Posted - 23 Oct 2004 : 8:13:56 PM
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| Acotrel has touched on something that we may hear more of in the future, I have heard talk, in sidecar circles in particular, of a desire to see an alternative organisation to M.A. formed, a little like the change that occured in N.S.W. One of the stumbling blocks would of course be insurance. I would be interested to see if any one could get affordable insurance for a rogue race meeting ! |
Racing is everything,the rest of the time is just waiting |
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Alan
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Western Australia
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Posted - 23 Oct 2004 : 9:42:32 PM
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Gee guys its pretty simple. If you run an MA permitted event then it runs under GCRs with minor variations as detailed in any Supp Regs which of course are approved by your LCB/RCB.
If you dont run under an MA permit then you can do whatever you like but dont for a minute think you can use your comp licence or make a claim on MA. Yes Alan these are and always have been called "black" and I reckon they always will be.
It can be done of course, effectively thats what the Terra Challenge is in the NT and there are ride days conducted all over the place run without MA permits, as for their insurance status thats up to the individual to determine.
My opinion for what its worth, could be a good subject for Jayne to get involved in.
Alan Sidecar 21 WA |
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Former Member
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Posted - 25 Oct 2004 : 9:54:10 PM
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| Well nice guy Alan I'll answer coz you asked but i dont rekon theres anything to get involved in, i actually rekon the whole topic is crock of ****. I dont think there is a track anywhere that would risk letting a black race meeting happen though i dont know what happens at Darwin. Oz isnt big enough more more than one MA anyway, I rekon we'd be better off getting the right people working at MA than talking about stuff like this. |
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Alan
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Western Australia
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Posted - 25 Oct 2004 : 10:51:34 PM
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Snoozer I think you might have misinterpreted the meaning behind my previous message. I was only trying to outline what can and does happen in the real world. I am a supporter of MA and its principles and unlike you do not have a problem with MA staff although I have to admit to not always agreeing with them or their decisions.
The Terra Challenge as I mentioned is what is termed a Black meeting and their are ride days conducted all round the country that are not MA permitted events which is possibly one of the reasons MA introduced recreational licencing. One ride day organiser over here in the West claims to have offshore Public Liability insurance and in the NT I believe they insure through the NT government. All track operators normally require is the previously mentioned Public Liability insurance and they are happy after all it is just about running a business and making money.
On another subject will we be seeing you at Winton, if so find the WA garages and introduce your self, if I am not up to my elbows in Suzuki parts we could have a chat about our sport.
Alan Sidecar 21 WA |
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Posted - 26 Oct 2004 : 07:45:32 AM
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In the Northern Territory bike and car racing at Hidden Valley is organised by the Territory Motor Sports Board who arrange public liability insurance through an offshore source. It was about $3000 per meeting but has been reduced a bit this current year. It does carry a hefty excess for the club of about $25000 and I have been told if there is a claim of any substance then they will not get cover again. The board was only able to find one insurer interested in providing coverage.
The have also provided rider accident insurance through the local Territory Insurance Office for about $175 pa or $35 per day for visitors from interstate with a maximum of three pa. This insurance is equal to MA's plus includes ambulance cover and loss of wages and can be used at the track seven days a week if you use the track for private practice, which is free for club members.
Yes the TERRA Challenge and all club events are Black and there is no requirement by the Motor Sports Board to operate to any GCR's. TERRA has until recently conducted racing strictly to the MA GCR's as they are the benchmark for safe and fair competition. Without MA support though it is difficult for the club and The Board to impliment them and this is a source of constant frustration and arguement. But that is another story and topic.
I also agree with Alan on MA and it's principles and my advice, having worked the past eleven years on this side of the fence, is that MA is not that bad and instead of trying to opt out you will be better off putting your effort into supporting the GCR's and changing things that do need changing. |
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