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john
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Victoria
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 Posted - 12 Nov 2002 : 4:42:41 PM
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Is there any support to promote a clubman class along the line of the NSW club that revolves around non racing solos pre 1957 or 1958?
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John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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Allan
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National
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Posted - 13 Nov 2002 : 10:44:36 AM
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| South Aussie have a class for up tp 1957 which they run at all their classic meetings John most of the things you are trying to find out about have and are in the MA system some where BUT it seems most club's do not want to follower the system for one reason or another . It's good to see that you are getting phone calls about it , some riders do care!! what happens its a pitty that they dont post it onto our forum> LOG BOOKS are in for 2003 HOW many have applied for them from MA and will the rule be inforced for Phillip Island in Jan. Its like catch pans THEY will be a thing to look at for the safty of motorcycling racing . All what seems to be goining on is we are chasing our tails anbd flogging a DEAD horse I hope not. WE do not need new rules just comply with the ones we have and get our arce off the ground and race the "bloody" bikes and not talk about what "one" think's how it should be to suit suit one's own needs. Just get the classic bikes as they were!in there day. Not like inca where they encourags titiaum rods/valves/and all the meterials need to build SPACE SHIPS if you have a ture classic race/ride it |
Allan Greening |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
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Posted - 13 Nov 2002 : 2:24:42 PM
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| Does any body have access to the information about any clubman class that MA has been promoting? |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 18 Nov 2002 : 4:30:49 PM
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Suggestions about a clubman class based on road machines with perhaps
separation int JAP and BEARS groups have arisen. Will it encourage additional entires into Historic Racing? |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 18 Nov 2002 : 10:41:28 PM
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POST CLASSIC CLUBMAN SOLOS Draft # 1
The criteria of these rules are as following
1] All major components shall be from the same manufacturer.
2] this is not a development class
3]general usage of items must be proven with original publications
4] experimental items from the era not permitted
5] the class is designed to represent road bikes in general usage in the era.
6]. Bikes must be readily ridden on the road if the lights were reinstalled
Specfications
a]weight to be within 10kgs of original published specification.{ to be confirmed}
b] brakes standard dimensions, linings may be changed
c] stroke same as original specification
d] bore within 5% of original specification
e]forks as per standard road trim, no adjustable valves, anti dive mechanisms
f] no fairings,
g] carburrettors standard bore for the model, but not smooth bores,
h]pump fuel only
I]Standard cams and compression and timing if a 2 stroke.
j]gearboxes as per standard, no close ratios permitted
k] original mud guard shape to be retained
l] Speedo must be installed
m] standard air box to be installed.
Items not permitted
clip-ons, alloy rims, belt drives, light weight replica parts, titanium parts.
Items permitted
tachometer installed, jetting to suit stands removed, any ignition system, kick start lever must be installed with a safety rubber to retain it, single seat may be installed.
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John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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john
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Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 19 Nov 2002 : 2:11:59 PM
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I have had this ent to me from a club member I asked to give an opinion " GOOD set of rules, I wouldn't make Speedo compulsory, clip
ons,alloy rims only if Original specs.(common on Italian and Spanish
Machines) I think I would like to see Kick Start Levers removed. All
minor details,basically a really good start". ALSO THE TYRES NEED TO HAVE SLICKS NOT PERMITTED What are your thoughts every body?
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John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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Allan
Site Moderator
National
599 Posts |
Posted - 19 Nov 2002 : 2:58:59 PM
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 John I have a Triton which I built in 1957/8, it is near nearly as was in 1957. Now has clip on alloy rims so do I bring "it" out in your "clubmans" or still leave it parked in the shead with the others?  |
Allan Greening |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 19 Nov 2002 : 3:35:34 PM
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| Alan, dont forget we are talking P4 machines here that are based on road bikes not racer based. But would not your machine be able to race in the P3 clubman or the normal racing section anyway? I take it that the Triton is not competative against the "replica" racers. Cant you tell I am a sidecar rider!Does anybody have an idewa of where this bike could be ridden for the hell of it? |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
2147 Posts |
Posted - 19 Nov 2002 : 6:06:30 PM
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Allan, The class john proposes is designed to bring standard road bikes onto the track, it is not a development class, it doesn't cater for hybrids. It's similar to the Clubman Class racing in Britain in the fifties and sixties. Remember Clubman Velocettes, Clubman Matchlesses, and Clubman Gold Star BSAs? All they were , were standard road bikes with strictly limited changes. Rear Set Footrests, Clubman Handlebars, tacho. The new class is not for modified engines or gear boxes, in a few instances such as Bultacos, clip-ons and alloy rims are permitted (they were standard on Metrallas). It's strictly designed for low cost competitve racing. Buy yourself a good R5 Yamaha, or H1 Kawasaki and you're in business. You only have to buy good tyres and perhaps a pair of rear shocks, and jet it. No expansion chambers, alcohol, trick gearboxes, port jobs, titanium bits, nothing, only a standard road motor blueprinted, (you can fit your trick ignition system, but that's it!)
I think this proposal should be supported by all of us, it could bring quite a few old bikes and riders, out of the woodwork. |
Is your machine authentic or merely eligible? |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
2147 Posts |
Posted - 19 Nov 2002 : 6:17:58 PM
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Allan, Your Triton should be really competitive in P3 500cc class, which is the premier class in historic racing. Buy the titanium valves, make a set of short barrels and fit some shorter rods, and you should be unbeatable, even by the Andy Molnar $80,000 Manxes. I'm not joking, I really believe that bike is that good!
P.S. It needs a 5 speed close ratio gear set.
Best Regards, Let's have a go at Inca! |
Is your machine authentic or merely eligible? |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
2147 Posts |
Posted - 19 Nov 2002 : 6:22:48 PM
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Wanted to buy:
Thruxton Bonneville |
Is your machine authentic or merely eligible? |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 20 Nov 2002 : 09:11:44 AM
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| I have taken the concept to the Victorian Historic Management Committee to discuss the pros and cons. One isue that arose was, whee in the program can we fit an extra race. Any ideas out there I can use to get the clubman series in a program. Also, if we are successful, the entries had better be good because you may not get a second chance. Perhaps attendance at the HMRAV ridedays in droves would be a good start to prove the bikes are there and prepared. Next ride day 1 Dec 2002 at Broadford. call me om 03 9888 5297 if you want an entry other wise front on the dya with $77 , licence etc. We can issue a rec. licence for practise days. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 21 Nov 2002 : 11:39:43 AM
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This comment was sent to me. What are your thoughts please?
" Clubman racing(as previously practiced in Aust.) was not Production
Racing. If you want to create Historic Production Racing do so but,
don't confuse the two different objectives." Your proposals should have a different title.
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John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
2147 Posts |
Posted - 24 Nov 2002 : 05:05:05 AM
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When I knew Allan Greening in about 1959, I wasn't aware that he had been Clubman of the Year at Hartwell Club, and had chucked himself into the Armco at Bathurst effectively finishing his racing for about twenty years (apparently he broke his arm and leg, and he probably landed on his head). The bike he raced was the 500cc Short Stroke Triumph which I had for about twenty years, and he still brings out from time to time.
I believe the clubmans racing he was involved with was similar to the Hartwell Club Championship which is run these days for club level racers.
Clubmans racing in England was totally different, I believe, and this is what your P4/P5 eligibilty rules describe. It's a better way to go.
It would be worth asking Allan what the machine rules were for the Clubman racing he was involved in, back then. However as I said before, you can't step back in time. |
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