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john
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Victoria
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 Posted - 15 May 2003 : 4:48:24 PM
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| Nah! we all know even the carries watch who watches a two wheeler. But we now have 12 outfits so you better hurryb there will be no room for you !! |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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acotrel
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Victoria
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Posted - 16 May 2003 : 6:17:06 PM
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I think I'll be writing to Preston Club to ask whether Winton Motorcycle Club can participate in the Interclub. The costs of participating in the Austin 7 meeting at Winton is prohibitive. The licence fee at the Interclub is $45, I believe. Seems a much more sensible way to get a few rides per year, and the competition aspect is just as silly as it is in historic racing.
John, I hope you get enough entries. I think my request to MAV for single event licences for historic events was sensible. It's unfortunate that they cannot see the benefit in providing entry level racing at reasonable cost. The difference for me is $305, but I'm retired and only work intermittently, I can use the money to pay off some of my credit card.
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john
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Victoria
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Posted - 17 May 2003 : 1:12:41 PM
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| Possibly is not really proof. I reckon we need more evidence than that to get the main show. Dont forget sidecars hunt in packs. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 19 May 2003 : 10:43:12 AM
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| If you need tickets to Historic Winton for promotional purposes contact us and we can help. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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john
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Victoria
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Posted - 23 May 2003 : 08:23:06 AM
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| We now havw 13 sidecars and 63 of the engine storage bays for sidecar engines. Prhaps next year we need to plan things differently to try and achieve about 120 entries. Do you have any ideas, and please do not go on about the license issue I need ideas we can do something with to get the growth. Thanks in anticipation. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
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Posted - 23 May 2003 : 11:35:49 PM
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John, I'll give you an idea, which mightn't be too popular. A while back I mentioned the possibility of using those horrible Indian Enfields for training and comp licence testing, as well as teams racing.
How about advertising two training days at Broadford next year, and actually teaching some of the kids to ride 'properly'. You'll probably have a bit of trouble getting insurance, but I suggest the Australian Institute of Sport might be interested in providing some funding.
A bit of sponsorship, and some familiarisation rides might get some new blood into the sport (sorry didn't mean to say blood).
It might help our cause with the insurance companies a bit to have actual 'competency testing' as part of the requirements to get a comp. licence. Personally I wouldn't have the gall to try to teach someone to ride a race bike, I fell off at every meeting for about two years, when I started. But there are some A graders about who could do it.
remember the old speedway schools?
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john
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Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 23 May 2003 : 11:56:15 PM
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| Wheres the crowds ? |
John Daley Sidecar #68
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
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Posted - 24 May 2003 : 10:20:18 PM
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John, I don't think we'll get good numbers of public to meetings until we have partisan following. Speedway in UK is a good example, the clubs run team competitions between themselves, with points accruing from performances of their riders in the programme races.
At the end of the night there is an overall winner (a club). The points total is declared, for each club.
It would be possible to award points for club entrants in historic races, and certain event could have teams of riders entered e.g. endurance races.
I know it sounds a bit like footisball, but the kids need heroes, and they like to barrack for a team.
Might be worth a try.
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john
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Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 25 May 2003 : 11:29:53 AM
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| I am not comvinced people turn up on droves to see anybody, if they have where are they. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
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Posted - 28 May 2003 : 07:51:11 AM
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I believe the V8s pulled a crowd of about 35,000 at Winton last week. Last year it was 30,000. The year before 30,000. The effort to set up was massive. I worked there for six weeks with ten others, painting lines, mowing grass, stacking beer and soft drinks, setting up toilets, generators lights, putting bins everywhere.
If you can pull such a big crowd for such a boring event, think what you can do if you can promote something really interesting.
Don't be so negative. We should start thinking a bit laterally.
If you can suggest a decent competition which will capture the public's imagination - we are there!
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john
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Victoria
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Posted - 28 May 2003 : 08:04:07 AM
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I believe we could have bigger crowds at Historic Meetings if we did a couple of thingd
- Empolyed some office help
- undertook some promotion
- obtained greater numbers of entries
As a newbie to this level of managent in a club I am amazed Dave Large did as well as he did. I see the need to move up a step, get more competitors and the rest will flow because the funds will be there. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
2147 Posts |
Posted - 28 May 2003 : 8:29:49 PM
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John, Winton Motor Raceway Pty Ltd is a company set up to promote meetings. The company has office staff, and everything needed to run both large and small meetings. Benalla Auto Club, and Winton Motorcycle Club are both in the background and their members assist in the running of the meetings.
The point I am making is that the above mentioned clubs are the only motorsport clubs in Eastern Australia with their own circuit, and they are always looking for ways to make money.
I suggest an approach from HMRAV would always be well received, particularly when accompanied by innovative/progressive ideas. If you can sell your ideas to the Mick Ronke/Bruce Robertson partnership (BAC Committee), your suggestion will be a goer.
I cannot see why you couldn't use the services of WMR Pty Ltd, you certainly wouldn't be 'cutting the ground from beneath my feet'.
I believe the big thing with most meetings is the RISK. It is virtually the same for both large and small meetings - let's THINK BIG! I suggest you start by looking for some good sponsors.
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john
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Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 29 May 2003 : 12:04:54 AM
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| As you know I am in business. I dont agree you just have to think big, you need to work you way up the ladder. The RISK you speak of is the reason you must crawl first and the risk for a samll meeting is not the same as for a big one. mainly because of the additional promotion costs which small meetings do not have. It is not simply a matter of getting sponsors, they dont just throw money in and pray, they need a return also and that is fair. I wont spend money unless I get a 30% return on the capital so I can lead a miserable existance after all other expences. The best thing Historic Motorcycle racing is the participants, perhaps they need to talk about it and promote it and things may move faster. Personally I am not going to spend hours of my time working on a great idea, and then hand it over to a private promoter to make a huge profit and still have to pay big bucks to race. There has to be some return to the racers and clubs for being involved. Speedway ran this way for years and still does so it can happen if the rules are set properly first. I am aiming to get the HMRAV in a position to be able to offer rebates to racers who are members for their efforts. I am not against promoters making big bucks, but I am not going to work for nothing for them and still find we all pay to race. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
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acotrel
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Victoria
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Posted - 29 May 2003 : 9:02:06 PM
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I wasn't suggesting you hand over your good ideas to a promoter and let him/her/it make the profit. It's your concept, the meeting would be underwritten and financed by your sponsors. What I am suggesting is that you ask the promotion company for a quote for the cost of staging an event, on your behalf, with you (HMRAV) as the customer. Any excess derived from the meeting after paying the promoter should be yours.
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john
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Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 29 May 2003 : 9:34:26 PM
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| Thanks for the feedback I did think you wanted all the profits to be kept away from the actors, I reckon the sidecars deserve the biggest slice of the pie with the others sharing the smaller section do you think we would get away with that? |
John Daley Sidecar #68
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acotrel
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Victoria
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Posted - 04 Jun 2003 : 10:01:00 AM
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| When you set up a race with the equivalent of Alex Campbell, Stan Bayliss, Denny Mc Cormick, Lindsay Urquardt, Dennis Skinner, Barry Marshall, Ken Horner, and Jim Craig/John O'Brien, and Orry Salter - I'll be there to see it! |
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john
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Victoria
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Posted - 04 Jun 2003 : 10:46:34 AM
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| Well I have raced against them all and been beaten by them all except Stan when I beat him at Sandown once.Jimmy Craig and Gerry O'brien taught me a lot in my early days It is a challenge and lets see what we can to get something like that happenning. Where would we start? |
John Daley Sidecar #68
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acotrel
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Victoria
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Posted - 04 Jun 2003 : 11:06:44 PM
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You could start by allowing genuine racing outfits from any era Pre-modern to race at historic events. Even Vince Genovas TZ750/Windle is worth preserving, so is Dennis Skinner's Laverda, the Denny McCormick Four cylinder Kawasaki two stroke, Orry Salter's BMW, and The Barry Mashall Konig. Surely all of these cannot have vanished?
I note you have the Stan Bayliss Honda - probably the only genuine top cometition machine still racing. I suspect all the rest are built up from also-ran machines. Incidently the beautiful Ken Horner Vincent is still around and well worth preserving.
I suggest the only outfits that should be excluded are the modern 'worm' type, and even the best of those should be considered for preservation. |
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acotrel
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Victoria
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Posted - 04 Jun 2003 : 11:12:51 PM
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One thing I forgot to say, John. Congratulations on the sidecar events at Winton last weekend. I actually found them interesting for the first time in a long time. The guy on the H2 really went well, and he didn't have it all his own way.
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john
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Posted - 04 Jun 2003 : 11:32:30 PM
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| I am familiar with all the machines you spoke of except the BMW. I am confident if they turned up we could make provision for them. The Kong exicts, the Laverda is wrecked I believe, Kens Vincent would be nice but where is it. Lets get dcontac details not dreams, please send them to me privately. Remember I have a personnla ambition to have a display of racing sidecars at the Southern Classic festival. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
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acotrel
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Victoria
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Posted - 06 Jun 2003 : 9:19:20 PM
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The BMW outfit was a Rennsport Orrie Salter spirited away from Europe after participating in the Circus. Allan Greening's friend Ross Pirani used to be Orries passenger O/S.
The BMW was unbeatable in the races I saw it in, at Phillip Island in the early sixties, I believe. The bike seems to have completely disappeared.
Ken's Vincent is still around, and I'll tell you where it is later. |
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