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john
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Victoria
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 Posted - 30 May 2003 : 07:58:27 AM
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At Historic Winton we have decided to run 2 handicapped events for the sidecars, what do you blokes think about running more such events for the solos as well. They seem to be good fun!
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John Daley Sidecar #68
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David
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Australia
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Posted - 30 May 2003 : 08:22:09 AM
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I think it would be good to spread the handicap events. Bit of solo, and a bit of your passion there John...  |
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acotrel
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Victoria
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Posted - 02 Jun 2003 : 7:40:35 PM
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Sorry to put a dampener on your enthusiasm. Handicap events are OK within limits. When you get really fast bikes at the rear of the field, passing all others, it becomes a bit dangerous. Terry Rooney found out about that. When he rode speedway sidecars, he would often be handicapped a complete lap. I don't know whether he lost his life in one of those races, I suspect he did - you might ask Richard Franks, he'll know.
Personally I shouldn't criticise these types of races, I actually won one years ago - only had to pass three other bikes - real handicap bandit! But they are typically a bit sus. |
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john
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Victoria
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Posted - 03 Jun 2003 : 2:31:50 PM
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| Oh! Allan lets keep the carries out of here. I am glad you won your handicapped event because that means by default we can take it you think they are worthwhile establishing. We may need some help to set the handicapping because inside knowlege and timing is needed to get it right. Anyway, we can keep it to the events that have intrinsicly lower speeds, such as up to P3 only perhaps. We may attract a few more entries with such an event. Any more thoughts? |
John Daley Sidecar #68
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acotrel
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Victoria
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Posted - 04 Jun 2003 : 09:44:40 AM
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At a superbike meeting a while ago Craig Trinder was crashed into the kitty litter when he tried to pass a C Grader at high speed. He came into the pit and bellowed at one of the officials - ' see what you get when you let C Graders out with A graders'.
Personally I was a bit amused - couldn't have happened to a nicer fella, but seriously he was correct. There is something else - when you come to a corner and someone else is there first - IT'S THEIR CORNER, so perhaps he was at fault.
In historic races (even P3) you have a few A graders, and other guys that have ridden for a lot of years, and really fly. If you are having a bit of bike trouble, you will be amazed at how fast some of these blokes will pass you.
The point is, in handicaps, these passing speeds are the norm. We've all seen the big wobble, when some fast guys pass slower riders. I think it's possible to fall off in fright.
Run your handicaps by all means, however I suggest there needs to be a awareness campaign about the risks. |
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john
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Victoria
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Posted - 04 Jun 2003 : 4:26:45 PM
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| Maybe A graders ned to be excluded or remember that they were C graders once. From what I can see, the GCR's seem to cover these issues with regard to courtesy between riders. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
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acotrel
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Victoria
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Posted - 04 Jun 2003 : 10:54:19 PM
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I don't think it's a matter of A Graders or C graders, it's a matter of fast and slow. If you put that beautiful little Ducati 250 in a handicap race with Peter Guest on the Vincent, you'll see a speed differential of about 80KPH when Pete passes the Duke.
Safe racing is about competing with other bikes of similar speed and handling and brakes. If you have seven evenly matched bikes and riders in any field (regardless of period), you'll get good racing. If you have to slipstream to get advantage, so much the better.
The best racing I ever saw was at Laverton in about 1976, when the Paolo Pileri team demonstrated their slipstreaming technique. Their overall finish in the 125 race was excellent.
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john
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Victoria
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Posted - 04 Jun 2003 : 11:05:57 PM
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Ok we could have a handicap race with no fast bikes. I dont think we are getting anywhere here other than discover why not to run handicapps. It works for sidecars so lets ignore them with the solos, unless they want to work out the issues. I give up. It seems as if I am always giving up,how come we never get a result from discussions they always finish up with more problems than solutions. Perhaps we have to think of why we should have handicaps not why we should not.
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John Daley Sidecar #68
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acotrel
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Victoria
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Posted - 06 Jun 2003 : 9:01:24 PM
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I was pleased to hear that riders have to take part in a few ride days before they get their comp. licence these days. About time there were a few COMPETENCY requirements. Should keep up a reasonable level of experience amongst riders and reduce the risk to very slow riders taking part in handicaps.
Al, one death these days, brings a very high price with it! |
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john
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Victoria
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Posted - 06 Jun 2003 : 10:10:50 PM
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John Daley Sidecar #68
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