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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
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 Posted - 26 Jan 2003 : 9:17:38 PM
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The HISTORIC MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE has recommended that HMRAV to consider the following steps to encourage riders to attend the Historic Winton by implementing the following; The event will be a club / interclub event which means all entrants must be a member of the HMRAV, annual fee $30 or one of the named clubs. This will mean a one event licence will be applicable, $44 thus a licence fee saving of $350 less $74. Also, we have provided for the 750cc pushrod class in classic P3 and post classic P4 to encourage new riders and machines to attend.Full discussion aboutthis topic should be directed to the Push rod topic page. Because of the time limits with the 2 plus 4 meeting format we will run the pushrod class concurrently with the all powers events. Please help us to help you. We are also trying to entice forgotten Era sidecars to front so please think about it, we want you.
JOHN DALEY
Secretary HMRAV
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John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jan 2003 : 12:08:26 PM
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| Dates for Historic Winton 2003 are 31 Mat / 1 June. Entries will be out soon. We need promotion to build the fields please can you put it on to as many sites you can find thanks. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
2147 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jan 2003 : 4:14:44 PM
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If you have room on your list, could you please arrange for Winton Motorcycle Club to be one of the 'named clubs' for the Historic Winton ? We have about four members currently racing historics, and I'd like to encourage more to participate.
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Allan
Site Moderator
National
599 Posts |
Posted - 30 Jan 2003 : 07:59:57 AM
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 -only ONE Q is it long track? is it also P5 if so please let us all know! |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 30 Jan 2003 : 08:50:28 AM
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| Short track and P5 is welcome. We are also trying to get the 650cc sidecars out as well. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 05 Mar 2003 : 10:19:47 AM
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| Just keeping you posted, HMRAV has been getting enquiries from some unususal machines so I am hoping that the clubs efforts to increase the range. I am encouraging any of you to do the same and we may have a gr8 meeting. Also, I am seeing if there is interest in having a static display of sidecars at the Southern Classic so please keep that in mind. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 19 Mar 2003 : 11:06:58 PM
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| Late News. There are moves afoot from others to try and abort the plans to have Historic Winton as an interclub event. I shall know by next Thursday morning, ans I shall keep you all posted but our plan to have one event licences may be scuttled from within, it can only happen in Motorcycling. Apparently somebody reckons we should not be able to do it because in 1944 xxxxxxx club was prevented from doing the same. Entry forms will go out asap after the desicion is sent to us. Keep rebuilding those outfits |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
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Posted - 20 Mar 2003 : 11:49:01 AM
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| This whole business is too 'rule bound'. To sink the single event licence from within the fraternity is really counterproductive. If there was a safety issue that would be one thing, but to object on the basis that someone did something in 1944, or some spectators might have to pay to get in the gate at an 'interclub' is simply silly. If we were worried that rider's families might have to pay to get into the circuit, surely we can send a few passes back to each entrant? |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 20 Mar 2003 : 3:27:50 PM
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| Its old stuff Alan, but its still a Secretary's nightmare. We have put up our best case and points to permit the interclub but its in the hands of others at the moment. Still you should just keep working on those sidecars you have treatened and get it ready soon! |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 25 Mar 2003 : 5:11:49 PM
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| For administrative reasons, Race Secretary going overseas to Tassie, we have had to post the supp. regs and entry forms for Historic Winton today. Otherwise she will not have her holiday and that would be unwise for all of us. But, we do not get the nod about the interclub idea until Thursday morning, so we have assummed we cannot have the interclub as previously discussed. If we do get approval we can fix that issue up later rather than unwind the matter if it is not approved. M<aybe next year we need to plan much more in advance, I thought we had but delays about track licence numbers, {still not issued} held us up but I am learning slowly. So lets see if we can put up a case if required. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 27 Mar 2003 : 4:52:27 PM
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| MV have not permitted us to run Historic Winton as an interclub meeting. All riders will need a full National Licence. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 28 Mar 2003 : 10:10:02 AM
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| HMRAV have sent out 400 copies of the supp regs and entries, if you want some let us know please. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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Chris L
Level 1 Member
Victoria
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Posted - 28 Mar 2003 : 11:33:14 PM
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John, Talking to a modern racer 5 mins after he got off the phone to MAV yesterday, he said that a licence renewel was still $350. Also logbooks for anything other than pump unleaded,surely this only means only avgas bought from airfields or race fuel suppliers-not alcohol? Conformation on both points would be usefull to know.
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 29 Mar 2003 : 10:34:38 AM
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Licences for this year are back to $350 plus $5.00 per race meeting for each rider and passenger.The explanation is that MV requires $400 per rider to run an an annual basis to cover insurance and administration.
Log books for Historic machines are compulsory and no log book no race. The fule issue is separate, a separate book for the non pump fuel users is required. This is an EPA requirement and not a MV or MA requirement. MA has the paperwork from memory. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 20 Apr 2003 : 07:38:28 AM
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| Entries for this meeting are very poor, on 18 April we had 7 entries. If you have chosen to not attend can you give me the reason. Please be truthful, I know about licence fees, but last time a survey was done there were actually many reasons given, of which license costs were just one. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
2147 Posts |
Posted - 21 Apr 2003 : 06:57:07 AM
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Makes a pretty expensive weekend.
Licence $350
Levy $5
Fuel $100
Log Book $20
Entry $100 ?
Adds up to nearly $600 and I live in the town. On top of that it's a two plus four meeting, with people everywhere in the pits. I know I can ride at an unlimited no of meetings on that licence - I only want three rides max per year.
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Posted - 21 Apr 2003 : 07:31:47 AM
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Perhaps nobody looked at the calender, everybody seems so wrapped up in what happens in Victoria that it is forgotten that people in other states race historic bikes as well.
The NSW Post Classic and Forgotten Era C/ships are being held the very same weekend and have been on the calender since it was released (good planning HMRAV) plus this year Terry O'Neill from Formula Extreme has tried to cash in on the resurgence of Unlimited Forgotten Era and Post Classic to boost his entries up in the naked bike class in the light of defections to the SAARC, he has his Queensland round of Formula X-treme at Queensland Raceway also the very same weekend.
This is not good for the Historic branch of the sport when there is not enough meetings per year for us and when there are meetings everybody wants to go against each other.
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 21 Apr 2003 : 08:26:29 AM
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The HMRAV has no control over the date of the meeting. For 25 years it has been the weekend prior to the one this year. WINTON track management altered the dates,. We cannot claim "good planning"
As you know I had my backside burned when I carried the bags for a new solo class, following a perception of support. I dont get fooled easily now. I have mentioned at MV management meetings we are planning a submission, I am just waiting for it. Despite asking within the HMRAV and widely over the internet for submissions about a possible 3 event historic licence, not a single word has been written or said. Personally I will pay the $350, but since there is not actual written support for a presentation I do not believe anybody is really concerned about licence costs, I think its like the reaction to the GST, some are blaming license costs when really its something else. Many sloppy business people blamed the GST for closing, whereas the truth was their sloppy management. Did you hear the drought is a result of the GST as well!!!
IF YOU ARE GOING TO RESPOND TO MY LICENCE COMMENT PLEASE PLACE IT IN THE LICENCE TOPIC WHERE I HAVE ALSO COPIED THIS STATEMENT. IT WILL KEEP IT ALIGNED WITH OTHER RELATED COMMENTS. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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David
Site Administrator
Australia
999 Posts |
Posted - 21 Apr 2003 : 08:49:47 AM
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No need to be cynical on what some users believe there John.
But like Alan said, this is just going to cost him for one (1) run, $129.00 (Licence, Log Book & Levy), $100.00 for fuel & $100.00 for entry for a total of $329.00 and there is no travel. This is with costs spread over 3 races, which is all Alan does.
As tr3 said, there are other races on over the same weekend, which would bring numbers down. I know quite a few would rather go to the Formula X-treme as it has television coverage, and only watched it 2 weeks ago on SBS (still it was television coverage). I know the PCRANSW have quite a few members, so there goes a few entries to the weekend.
I think it is a case of all the representatives of organisations should get together somewhere and plan their year together so they do not overlap each other and they will get a better spread of race meetings.
I am only too willing to set-up an area on these forums for all the organisations to get together and put proposed dates and let them work it out. This way it will be in writing and you all can see when things are being run and that way, your organisation will make more money with costing less money in phone calls and time.
Just a little bit from me...
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David
Webmaster & Owner of Classic Motorcycling Australia
Quote: I thought I wanted a career, turns out I just wanted to be paid. |
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Allan
Site Moderator
National
599 Posts |
Posted - 21 Apr 2003 : 09:24:03 AM
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 If any one goes back to when we started this cluster , WE david.actrol and my self "TRIED" to get a calander for ALL of AUSTRALIA started SO WE all would know where when and wot was happened in CLASSIC road racing in Aussie BUT at no time has any of the BODYS even tried to help in this! i actually rang all MA bodies in australia two years running but NO result! Its a fine example now with classic winton ans nsw classic champs THIS is on thing that has to be corrected so we can have a sligh chance of getting classic race meeting running with a full entrie list I can see that if winton classic is cancled cause of lach of entries that will be the END for this meeting Iam sure the car blokes wont put up with our "****" of not beening able to run a simple race meeting so much for trying to get other classes running just let us get the basic classic meet to run and pay for it self if this wont happen I see the END of classic road racing in VIC |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 21 Apr 2003 : 1:15:04 PM
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| Please remember that whilst the issue of clashing meetings is a real problem, the Historic Winton date was changed by WINTON RACE MANagment, not Austin 7 or the HMRAV. I dont know how we can plan ahead because so many influences seem to be present, and more opportunity to race seem to be arising. Alan, you may be correct about classic racing halting, particularly when we see Formula xtreme poaching P4 and P5 classes. The older meetings have not catered well for both of them and new promotoers may provide very well for them leaving only sidecars and P3. We all know there are not enopugh of them to hold a meting. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 23 Apr 2003 : 9:11:32 PM
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| Entries for HISTORIC WINTON are now up to 22 as of Wedbnesday evening. We have had no feedback about what is happenning, whether some are going to drop them off at the rideday we do not know. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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keith campbell
Level 3 Member
Victoria
248 Posts |
Posted - 24 Apr 2003 : 11:23:38 AM
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it is my beleif M.A. may/are contributing to lesser entries with the debacle being caused with log book application "toing and froing". my experience with as many as four applications to date on one bike. the process began as many as eight to nine months ago. what seemed like a good idea at the time "log books" in turn have become very time consuming debacle.
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 24 Apr 2003 : 9:09:47 PM
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| I have to admit I have had some trouble with photos, but your point may be correct, thanks. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 26 Apr 2003 : 07:42:55 AM
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Entries are up to 28, we normally have 90.
TR3, was that an "oops got it wrong" about HMRAV's bad planning with the dates!
There are so many demands for track dates that I think it will be very hard to avoid any clashes. As private promoters creep in with more events, picking the eyes out of the classes, it will be harder for clubs to promote. The clubs are going to have to think differently about meetings to attract riders who are drifting off to the other meetings.
BOB MARTIN ENGINEERING believes all entries are down because people just dont have spare cash at the moment. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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Chris L
Level 1 Member
Victoria
12 Posts |
Posted - 27 Apr 2003 : 3:47:56 PM
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| After attending the all brit rally today I think hmrav will recieve several entries early this week, and as a quick calc there should be 8-9 chairs. Keith's comment on logbooks is spot on, I have also been trying for 6 months and several letters however there is light at the end of the tunnel. Compeditors should also remember that they don't need their logbooks, a reciept of application should suffice. There was a large No of racers at the rally that are very disheartened by logbooks and are seriously considering leaving the sport. Classic racing in Vic and Aus is in for a pretty rough ride me thinks. |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 27 Apr 2003 : 5:13:18 PM
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| Thanks for the feed back Chris, the extra entries are welcomed. I shall try and follow up about the delays and find the reason, in my case its because I have not sent the new photos required in yet, actually I have not taken them yet. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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Allan
Site Moderator
National
599 Posts |
Posted - 27 Apr 2003 : 6:23:09 PM
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| same here iam not a photo type person and dont have a camera so got a disposable one and phot's were rejected so now have to find some one who can do the job more mony to be spent. O' i still think the log books are a GOOD idea |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 28 Apr 2003 : 11:55:53 PM
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| Entries are now up to 58, with more promised. We may get lucky yet! 4 push rod entries which cover 600cc- 750cc push rod donks. Possibly 10 sidecars. We are thinking of running the sidecar events as Handicaps, to make it cloer racing, what are your thoughts? |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 14 May 2003 : 11:09:03 PM
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| Just keeping you posted. We have about 10 sidecars and 60 of the others things entered. Pits may be available if you contact me on 03 9888 5297 for $50-100 each depending on how many take up the offer. john daley Remember we have new procedures about scrutineering etc so please be patient while we work it out. Also, we are making a big effort to keep excess trailers and vehicles from the pits , again please help or we may get the pit gestapo out to keep the pits clear and safe. Our Pit manager Amanda Green is very helpful and does not like to get angry so help her also. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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Chris L
Level 1 Member
Victoria
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Posted - 14 May 2003 : 11:40:45 PM
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| John, by "other things" do you mean solo bikes-the mainstay of classic,post classic, and forgotten era racing and probably the main crowd pullers? |
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