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john
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Victoria
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 Posted - 03 Jun 2003 : 1:40:40 PM
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I am getting reports already that the HMRAV did not enforce log books at Historic Winton. This is a damaging allegation. We had new scrutineering cards etc to cover this point and we did pull one rider who did not have even a reciept. Every effort was made by myself as Secretary and the race Secretary to get it perfect. Can anybody give their point of view please. Did some scrutineers not seek them as they had an obligation to do so and the steps were in place? Feed back about how to resolve this please.
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John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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john
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Victoria
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Posted - 03 Jun 2003 : 5:45:16 PM
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WELL I WONT PULL ANY PUNCHES, IT WOULD APPEAR AS IF THE ALLEGATIONS ARE CORRECT. I HAVE HEARD STORIES OF QUOTATIONS THAT LOG BOOKS WERE ONLY REQUIRED AT NATIONAL TITLES. ON SUNDAY MORNING WHEN I HEARD THAT RUMOUR I DID PRODUCE THE gcr'S AND SHOW the facts. In fact I had to exclude a rider from the meeting because I recieved written advise from MA on Saturday night that he did not have a log book.
I am not sure of what the consequences will be but as Secretary I have to get the situation resolved to ensure we will obtain a race Permit in the future. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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acotrel
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Victoria
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Posted - 04 Jun 2003 : 09:52:41 AM
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Why are log books required at meetings which are not championships? Surely the only issue at non-championship meetings is engine capacity. At the Austin 7 meeting, most events included all periods, so eligibility was not an issue.
Are log books simply another fund raiser? Seems everything is working against interest in the sport. |
Is your machine authentic or merely eligible? |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
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Posted - 04 Jun 2003 : 12:01:18 PM
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John, I believe the log book approach to controlling eligibilty is probably a good thing, however it seems to have come very late in the day.
I was talking to a few of the competitors at Winton on the weekend, and heard quite a few adverse comments. One of them was that the log book requirement had effectively knocked out one of the main contemders in P4. The bike was an obvious 'cheater', it's frame was built in the seventies, by a mate of mine as a batch of twelve replicas for a Melbourne dealer. Instead of being P4, the bike was strictly speaking P5. It is a similar situation to my own. The Seeley is a 1968 frame, the motor is a 1973 Commando 850 - The bike is P5, NOT P4. The fork yokes on my bike are 1973, not pre 72 - again P5.
There is no problem while clubs like HMRAV run P4 and P5 together. But when the races are for single periods only, we get fewer rides, although the changes which make us ineligible offer really minimal advantage.
I think we have to look again at the whole concept of 'periods' and what is genuine, and what we want to see racing.
I have seen a couple of P3 bikes with 850 Commando engines, so should I feel guilty about entering P4 races with mine? Should I feel guilty about trying to pass it off as a 750, so I can compete in the 750 pushrod class?
I also believe we need to have a big rethink about genuine racing frames used in Historic racing - I've heard a few grumbles that my Seeley is 'unfair'.
What is Historic Racing all about in Australia? Anyone with something fairly genuine and typical 'Of the Era' will soon find out that their bike is totally uncompetitive in our racing.
I suggest the current push towards changing bikes back to the 'way they were', is counterproductive. It will kill the sport! |
Is your machine authentic or merely eligible? |
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Allan
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
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Posted - 04 Jun 2003 : 4:09:10 PM
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Log books are mandatory for all Historic Racing. GCR's Rule 13.xxxx page 127 in the 2003 book.
The requirement about championships is garbage.
Personnally I support Log books, but the club has an obligation to work within the rules or we may find we will not be given a Permit to Race until we can proove we abide by the GCR's in all areas. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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john
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Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jun 2003 : 9:07:26 PM
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| We are getting closer to a resolution, myself and Peter Heywood our Vice President are meeting with MA to discuss the issue on Thursday. I shall keep you posted. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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