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Former Member
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 Posted - 19 Mar 2004 : 7:34:50 PM
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Just finished reading the latest MA newsletter and it does a good of promoting the BEARS series at Broadford this weekend but makes absolutely no mention anywhere that the real meeting is the Vic Historic Titles, and the BEARS are just piggybacking onto it. Or have the historics been cancelled?
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David
Site Administrator
Australia
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Posted - 19 Mar 2004 : 7:37:22 PM
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Nah, just shows you the contempt that MA has to any classic/post classic or historic race there is about. They seem to want to see the end of the classic/post classic or historic races in Australia as shown in the past.
Good on ya MA for stuffing it up...
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David
Webmaster & Owner of Classic Motorcycling Australia
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steve
Level 2 Member
Queensland
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Posted - 20 Mar 2004 : 8:16:55 PM
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Hi All
I've seen that the BEARS people have/do is good "PR" that seems to get out to a wider bike/commuity & plan out for years to come it's called "promotion" what ever it takes. I've also seen that the Post Classic & Forgotten era fellows are promoting alot around what seems like everywhere & will get spectators & good entries which does not include Classic classes!! I heard & read & seen it on these pages where If someone wants changes the Classic fellows "can it" because we have never done that before & we won't allow it!! Some states won't run Period 5 because they are classed as modern bikes & not Classic!! let alone "Bears Bikes" Not everyone wants to watch or race 500cc Classic bikes which around the place is classed as the "Premier Class" All you have to do is look around some of the races around Australia to which what classes have the most entries!! Period 1 where Period 2s not that many now Period 3 under & over 500 getting less & less as the years go by, Period 4 need 2 or 3 classes as grids are full & period 5 seems like it growing too fast & getting a wide variety of machines & lots more entries every meeting, I've heard "I will retire if they have the modern bikes (P5 & BEARS) at the same meeting.
I'm sure people will remind me as when did the Classic Classes Start??? in relation to the years differents?? when did we need a special class for our bikes because our bikes were not in the same class as the moderns!! 1985 where the bikes were 15 years old??? or was it 1975 or 1965 ??? I thought it was when the bikes were 15 years old so 1962 plus 15 years 1977 ??? so 2004 - 15 years = 1989 God ForBid!!
Strong words! Maybe Wrong Words!! But over the years racing PostClassic Many years we got the rough end of the stick in track time & recognised as historic motorcycles!! Now the tide may be changing & do you think some of the people who got the cold shoulder over the years will support the Classic thinking only people! Maybe just Maybe MA are thinking along the same lines, you know however brings in the most "money" gets the most support.
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acotrel
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Victoria
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Posted - 21 Mar 2004 : 10:30:52 AM
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The first 'historic race' was a demo held in October 1973. It had three Manxes and two featherbed Triumphs in it. The competitors were Steve Oszko, Russell King, Richard Bendell, Ray Thompson and Alan Cotterell.
The bikes were minimum ten years old!! Steve Oszko won it, His lap times were about 61 seconds on the short circuit at Winton. The manx he rode was ex Jack Ahearn. |
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Former Member
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Posted - 21 Mar 2004 : 9:58:01 PM
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i understand that period5 bikes aren't allowed to race at the 'historic winton' meeting this year?
maybe there are too many entries to bother with letting these moderns on the grid.
but i bet they will be relying on the period5 numbers to make the aust champions a financial success in november.
now if i have to choose between entering the southern classic in october or the aust champs in november, which will i choose.... |
There are those who do, those who used to do and those who never did..
why is this 3rd group always trying to convince everyone they know best? |
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Former Member
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Posted - 22 Mar 2004 : 09:45:15 AM
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Snoozer,
The Vic Titles were run and won and I believe each year is getting better and better.It was promoted very well by HMRAV and the BEARS crew.
Its information thats readily available through the You must be logged in to see this link. site and the forms are downloadable from the documents link.
Regards
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Its not what you ride,Its how fast you ride it!!! |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
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Posted - 22 Mar 2004 : 1:37:20 PM
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| HHH, where do you get your information from? Work has only just begun on getting the Australian Historic Championships going for 2004. They are being run in conjunction with MA by Benalla Auto Club/Winton Motorcycle Club. I've heard absolutely NO MENTION that Period 5 will be excluded, and I would be very surprised if that eventuates. |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
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Posted - 22 Mar 2004 : 1:39:41 PM
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| Anyway, since when have Period 5 bikes been 'MODERN', they are now 25 years OLD!!! |
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Former Member
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Posted - 22 Mar 2004 : 2:14:30 PM
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Im under the understanding that Period 5 wont be run at Historic Winton,yet should be on the bill for AHC.
Can anyone enlighten me as to why they wont let Period5 run as we are allowed to compete at just about everything else with the classics.
What gives?
If it was a decision made by the car guys then its pretty much self explanetary.
Anyway back to the Titles it was a great weekend with of heaps of action on and off the track,with plenty of passing,pushing and prangin.
Thank you to all the flaggies and track marshalls who soldiered on through the day doing us a great service.
Thanks to Ron Marten for teachin me more about my outfit in 1 day than what Ive learnt in the past 5-6 months that Ive owned it.Good feeling when you cut 7 seconds of your best lap time, bit of a wild ride!!!
Long live Period 5...
Regards
Neill
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
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Posted - 22 Mar 2004 : 2:52:42 PM
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Jayne, thanks for the note about the Vic Titles and the BEARS. I have to say I think the BEARS are just better than myself at promotion using MA etc. It is an area we need to pick up on.
HISTORIC WINTON there are discussions happenning as I write this to include P5 in Historic Winton. I shall report as soon as the final answer comes out , perhaps even later today. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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Former Member
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Posted - 22 Mar 2004 : 4:10:44 PM
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| Sheessh... All I was doing was highlighting that MA forgot about the historics, which was the event that was licensed, and only promoted the BEARS. |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 25 Mar 2004 : 2:10:06 PM
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Snoozer, you have to be careful on this site, just about any topic opens many other isues. I think MA actually only lists information given to them, and I did not think to do that. I will make a note for the future.
PERIOD 5 are now in the Historic Winton 2004. More data in the relevant topic . |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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David
Site Administrator
Australia
999 Posts |
Posted - 25 Mar 2004 : 3:33:55 PM
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John,
That is not quite true and could get you in to a little bit of trouble. I aslo take offence at what was implied. To me it implied: "Do not post here or they will all take it the wrong way".quote:
Originally posted by john
you have to be careful on this site, just about any topic opens many other isues.
If what we are saying isn't true, then why hasn't MA got on here and helped steer us in the right direction? Is it because we are right and they know it?
Besides that, it don't matter which site you are on and what topic it is, there are always people that will jump on you and give you their opinion. (like this reply)
I know users have the same issue at HMRAV's forums.
The main issue is that if MA are really trying to promote motorcycle racing in Australia, then it should not matter that the Bears are running in the same meeting as a classic/post classsic or histroic race, the classic/post classsic or histroics should also get mentioned, but this did not happen.
I am sure that if the Sidecars are not mentioned, then you would jump on the promoter to include them in the advertising!  |
Regards,
David
Webmaster & Owner of Classic Motorcycling Australia
Quote: I thought I wanted a career, turns out I just wanted to be paid. |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
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Posted - 26 Mar 2004 : 04:58:29 AM
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I suggest it is still 'early days' for this forum. Plenty of the guys are new to using computers. Using this forum is a bit different to putting your point of view at a club meeting. In this place you can put your complete argument without interruption. If you get 'jumped on' - TOO BAD. Verbal abuse is limited, physical abuse almost impossible!
Personally I'm always interested in seeing other people's comments, whether 'good' or 'bad' - they all help the cause of historic racing! |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
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Posted - 26 Mar 2004 : 05:04:11 AM
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| I believe including BEARS at historic meetings was a very constructive idea. I don't doubt some modern Jap bikes will be considered 'historic' in the future, however my interest in them doesn't extend past 'production racers' and McIntosh Suzukis, and Bimotas (specials) etc. |
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Allan
Site Moderator
National
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Posted - 26 Mar 2004 : 09:00:49 AM
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| Only problem they have to drop classic races to do so so I say bears should run their own meet's |
Allan Greening |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
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Posted - 26 Mar 2004 : 11:23:29 AM
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David, I apologise if I offended. But what I meant to come across with my reply to Snoozer, when she says " Sheez all I wanted to do was comment about MA...." and she seemed surprised that the one issue opens up many other issues and sometimes they all get muddled on the one topic area. The bit about MA was related only to the MA information about the VIC HISTORIC TITLES promotion, because the BEARS did send something to MA and I did not think to do the same.
Further I am not aware ALLAN of any eveidence that Classic races were dropped to incorporate the BEARS. The Vic Hist. Champs always have support events and those races were slotted in as BEARS rather tham Buckets. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
Edited by - john on 27 Mar 2004 09:01:05 AM |
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David
Site Administrator
Australia
999 Posts |
Posted - 27 Mar 2004 : 09:40:07 AM
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As an example of a topic at your forums there John. Here is one called: Riders Briefings
It clearley shows others jumping on and opening other issues, like the user who mentions the "sidecar blokes" trying to get away with it and saying they "didn't know about the log books". See what I mean, it don't matter where it is, there will always be someone.
We all say about the promotion of classic/post classsic or histroic racing in Australia, but then it is not advertised well, that doesn't help the sport at all. We can only do so much on this site to help promote the sport.
Lets all try to take advantage of what, where and how we can get more promotion for the sport of classic/post classsic or histroic racing in Australia, or it will end up dead.
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Regards,
David
Webmaster & Owner of Classic Motorcycling Australia
Quote: I thought I wanted a career, turns out I just wanted to be paid. |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 27 Mar 2004 : 11:41:44 AM
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| I had a conversation with Rex Wolfendon today and he said " I want to congratulate all those who helped get the Vic. Titles happenning, it was a good meeting, overall ". |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
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Posted - 28 Mar 2004 : 09:14:19 AM
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John, I don't believe enough is said about the people who administer meetings. We all tend to take it for granted. I'm sorry I couldn't get to the meeting, I really don't like missing them - I had car problems which prevented me from attending. Keep up the good work. I'll try to bring the TZ to your next one.
Best Regards, |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
2147 Posts |
Posted - 28 Mar 2004 : 09:16:45 AM
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| I really regret missing the BEARS and the P5 two stroke races. I think they're really GREAT!!! We need to do a bit more to promote these classes. |
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