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David
Site Administrator
Australia
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 Posted - 06 Jul 2004 : 1:31:46 PM
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The only thing I have altered from the e-mail from MA is the removal of the e-mail addresses and telephone numbers. The new Rule Submisions for 2005 needs your true and open comments on.
The contents of this topic is the result of a meeting between Motorcycling Australia (David White & Brian-R Payne), Allan Greening and David Greening.
Please lets work with all state and national parties to get the rules done right and get the sport kicking again. We welcome comments from everyone and only takes a few moments to register and show your club you care.
Please comment on this from MA:
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From: Brian Payne
Sent: Monday, 5 July 2004 3:35 PM
To: David Greening
Cc: David White
Subject: Meeting 1 July 2004
Dear David, thank you for the time both Alan and you spent with David White and myself reviewing past matters.
I have attached the Rules Submission which is in the format we should have prepared in the first instance, if it suits please post this on your site and if appropriate remove the previous submission.
We are approaching the SCBs (state offices) for competition calendars relating to historic competition, it is foreseeable that we will need to provide them to you progressively.
Regards,
Brian-R
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Brian-R Payne
General Manager
Motorcycling Australia
PO Box 134
South Melbourne, VIC, 3205
www.ma.org.au
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Regards,
David
Webmaster & Owner of Classic Motorcycling Australia
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Former Member
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Posted - 08 Jul 2004 : 11:32:37 PM
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i like the idea of capacitys being mentioned.
either sugestion seems good, stock +5% or what can be proven was used for each bike in each period.
this will do a lot to reduce the costs of engine building and also may encourage some original race bike's from the period to race again, without the owners worrying about haveing to greatly increase their engine sizes to be competitive and messing with their bikes originallity.
which is important to everyone wanting to preserve these bikes. |
There are those who do, those who used to do and those who never did..
why is this 3rd group always trying to convince everyone they know best? |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
2147 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jul 2004 : 10:52:37 AM
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I was talking to a well known (name) rider at the Austin 7 meeting. He told me his Manx is now 94mm bore (700cc). He said to me 'that's good isn't it?', and I agree - it is good. Just one thing, if the bike ends up with a rod thru the cases, where do you find new original castings? The guy said to me (joking about this) 'It's only a Manx' .
I really think we all underestimate the value of some of these old bits of junk.
I suggest we should be a bit careful in the way we modify bikes of significant historic importance. Where will they be in fifty years time?
Getting a Manx to 700cc is a good effort, but if I owned it, it would be 499cc, and COMPLETELY ORIGINAL! |
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keith campbell
Level 3 Member
Victoria
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Posted - 13 Jul 2004 : 11:28:44 AM
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Hi all i seem to remember it has been a rule in the past that engine cc was only allowed to be 5% over for capacity classes.Obviously with the unlimited class this went out the door with the MAX limit being applied to the whole class equalling nothing over 1.3 litres.
Everyone knows this.I think racers will always go for broke in the search for more power regardless.
But alas all is not lost to less cc in your bike given all goes well and you perform well.Last years Southern Classic still makes me tingle looking at it on my mantle after beating the ????cc Vincent, 650cc Triel,600cc Manx etc on my 550cc AJS.
I think people need to have a go and just go race and enjoy the sport, put a show on for the spectators/family/ friends who are there.
So if ALL those 750cc bikes are really out there get them out and cut the bull and have some fun.Everyone knows you can't win it if your'e not in it..........
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
2147 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jul 2004 : 05:54:32 AM
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My bike is an 826cc twin. For the first meeting of the year it will cost $330 for a licence, $100 entry fee, $100 for two drums of fuel. Why am I going to pay this and try to compete with 1300cc four cylinder machines? We're not talking about HISTORIC racing here, nothing like it ever happened in the sixties!!!
I spent 12 years of my life campaigning a 500cc Triumph in a featherbed frame against RD350s H2s and Z900s. Do you really think I want to go through it again?
During those 12 years I raced in a 500cc race about two times, and I was usually relegated to Allpowers C grade (1 ride per day, 2 if you also rode B Grade).
We really need to look at the capacity classes, and get them right.
I suggest the Period 3 700cc, and Period 4 750cc Classes must be made into CHAMPIONSHIP CLASSES IMMEDIATELY!
Otherwise I'm not going to waste my time - I don't go racing to look pretty!- Golf is cheaper and more satisfying!
Please don't come this 'cut the bull****, come and have a ride stuff' with me. Have a talk to the guys that have dropped out of historic racing over the years, and ask them why they're not racing. I get really tired of this stuff, it's about time we started to get this elgibility thing right.
Have a look at any historic race - after one lap the guys are all around the circuit, not in a bunch going for it - tells you something, doesn't it? |
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Former Member
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Posted - 16 Jul 2004 : 3:46:08 PM
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| I think you'll be lowering your golf handicap rather than your lap times. Your 826cc twin is, and always was, an unlimted capacity machine. Formula 700 & 750 don't apply in this case. Regarding this actual topic, what are you trying to say? |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
2147 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jul 2004 : 6:31:04 PM
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I'm quite prepared to reduce the engine capacity to 750cc, if I can get a competitive ride. There three or four ways to go:
1, Buy a 750cc Weslake motor for $3000.
2, Buy a 750 Commando engine and do the hot up (also $3000)
3. Short stroke the 826 to 750cc (make a shaft and barrels - also $3000).
Do you really believe any of it is worth doing?
In short the 826cc Commando engined Mk3 Seeley is a waste of space! Even putting a $20000 G50 engine into it would be pointless, there's no class for it, even though such bikes were the ultimate in British singles in the sixties!
For your info, I built the bike in the late seventies and never raced it. I wasn't interested in historic racing, and in Allpowers C Grade, the Z900s would have given it a real hard time. It's just as useless now, and I believe it really shouldn't be, considering it gets into Period 4. If all those Trex Hondas were 830s, as they were back in the early seventies, the story would be different.
Please tell me how I can get a competitive ride in historic racing at a reasonable cost? I'm seriously thinking of running the TZ. I believe that's the only way! |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jul 2004 : 6:57:56 PM
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| Become a sidecar passenger, give me a call we are looking for blokes just your size Allan. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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Former Member
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120 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jul 2004 : 8:15:57 PM
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| Alan. Youre going around in circles. Stop it before you get dizzy and run into a wall and hurt yourself. Youre answering own questions, if your "826cc Commando engined Mk3 Seeley is a waste of space!" then sell it off to someone wholl use it and race your TZ, or follow Johnboys advice and really experience life on a sidecar. |
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matcho mick
Advanced Member
New South Wales
570 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jul 2004 : 11:14:45 PM
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| ouch!! |
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trifield12
Level 1 Member
Victoria
13 Posts |
Posted - 18 Jul 2004 : 10:22:55 AM
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so its ok for the guys to spend money down sizing their motors but not for the rest to increase them , as for exemting some of the current machines it sounding a bit like the GST. if the williams 900 seeley commando in sydney can do a 1m,46sec around eastern creek and dents kawa 750 im,15sec at malala can beat the hondas then i cant see a problem with other machines doing it. keith campbell is right in what he says that you dont need cubes to do it but it does help. and how can i say that this capacity rule will decrease the numbers , its easy, i was on the hmrav commitee for years and we tried all sorts of things to encourage clubmans and bears bikes to appear and race but they didnt and they dont exsist so why piss the guys off that are putting in 110%
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 24 Dec 2004 : 2:19:13 PM
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Follow the link below for the 2005
rules updates on the MA website.
You must be logged in to see this link. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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