|
Advertise with Classic Motorcycling Australia
| Author |
 Topic  |
|
| |
Current Topic Rating:  | Join the Forum to Rate this Topic at: Classic Motorcycling Australia Forums
|
|
|
David
Site Administrator
Australia
999 Posts |
 Posted - 04 Jun 2005 : 2:08:41 PM
|
In response to your second e-mail:quote:
-----Original Message-----
From: keith roberts
Sent: Saturday, 4 June 2005 12:27 PM
To: Webmaster
Subject: historic racing forum
Importance: High
Name: keith roberts
Email Address: [removed by webmaster]
Directed to: Webmaster
Comments: I urgently need to be able to register so that I reply to the untrue, libellous comments, both personal and professional, that are being posted by "2stroke"
My earlier attempts to register were unsuccessful, and I have sent you an e-mail asking if you can delete those attempts and allow me to start from scratch to register. can you do this for me please and let me know if the way is clear for me to register?
regards,
keith roberts
How Did You Hear About Us? Friend
Keith,
I have sent you replies and you should of received an e-mail from the system, but it appears that your host for your e-mail address is blocking me or you are deleting the e-mails. As I stated in my last reply to you, you need to click on the link that is sent to your e-mail address.
I will send you another e-mail with the link and I suggest that you check your SPAM box to see if it is in there or make sure that you do not delete it..
|
Regards,
David
Webmaster & Owner of Classic Motorcycling Australia
Quote: I thought I wanted a career, turns out I just wanted to be paid. |
|
|
2stroke
Level 1 Member
South Australia
12 Posts |
Posted - 05 Jun 2005 : 07:40:55 AM
|
As I said earlier I am happy to be proven wrong if that is the case, in my opinion the comments are correct. I have already stated I will apologise if proven wrong, but it would be great to see details of your experience and how that fits in with the requirements of being a commissioner.
From asking around nobody has seen you on any committee, you have not participated in any race senior management, you have done a task at Historic Winton this past week with scrutineering cards I noticed, but not much else we can find.
We cant remember when you last raced or for how long.
We reckon you are a nice bloke but just dont meet the requirements of a commisioner at the moment. |
The Philosopher, the Antagonist take your pick.
He who dares to speak! |
Edited by - 2stroke on 06 Jun 2005 7:30:49 PM |
 |
|
|
Former Member
deleted
120 Posts |
Posted - 05 Jun 2005 : 9:45:40 PM
|
| jeez who'd want to be a commish at the moment, you'd most definately have to be in with ross martin & co to get the job which means that the real world people wouldnt want to know you coz you'd be a part of destroying things. i really really think that to be a commish you should be elected, if the ma staff were elected we wouldnt be going through the crap weve be goin through for the last couple of years. if there were elections the names of the people at ma would be very different as well. nope it would definatly be a bad thing to be picked for a job by ross martin & co. i hope this keith roberts can get on here and tell everyone why he should be in the job like he wants to do. |
Jayne |
|
|
|
Alan
Forum Moderator
Western Australia
353 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jun 2005 : 12:23:08 AM
|
For once Snoozer I agree with your comments, anyone voluntarily offering to be a Commissioner must either be super confident he/she can make a difference or super something else, stupid comes to mind.
I have thought for a long time that the best system would be for the States to nominate candidates rather than the system we have at present, at least that way we would have Commissioners that have been put forward by their peers rather than someone who puts together a better application/resume than someone who might be far better qualified for the position.
It is common knowledge that I have applied but as you have previously stated I am unlikely to get a guernsey so you will have to put up with me on here unless someone gets under my skin, hint hint.
Alan Sidecar 21 WA
|
|
|
|
john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jun 2005 : 5:08:39 PM
|
John, I do not seem to be able to register for classicmotorcycling.com, so I wonder if you would mind forwarding this on my behalf? I think it would be a good idea to include my e-mail address so that you do not get any of the invective that I expect to receive. My address for this exercise is keithroberts750@hotmail.com.
To:- .2stroke on classic, historic & post classic motorcycling forum.
I would like to be able to respond to your comments regarding my appointment as a member of the HRRC, and to place a few facts before you and your fellow perpetrators of terminological inexactitudes regarding the unsubstantiated, un-signed and untrue (mis)information that you, for some reasons best known to yourself and your associates, have been publically stating as factual evidence of my unsuitability for the position. I have not bothered to respond to your drivel any sooner, as I believe that there would be sufficient people who know me and my involvement, to dismiss your ranting and raving for the absolute codswallop that it is. However, your most recent display of ignorance and ill manners has been directed at other people , as well as to me, and I think the stage has been reached where you should "put up or shut up"
First let me say that I have not the slightest idea who you are, or why I aroused such passionate hatred in you and your associates troubled minds. Would you mind identifying yourself and telling me where, when and under what circumstances we have met ? It appears as if you know something of me, all of which being accumulated in the short period since my appointment to the Commission early last year. I am "a nice bloke","not enthusiastic about the promotion of historic racing", "not a rider" and a doer of only minor tasks at race meetings. That's a fairly comprehensive analysis for someone who has never introduced himself to me , bothered to discuss any matters with me or even asked me to set down my experiences as a rider and / or administrator. Can I take it that you are in possession of my professional C.V, or the letter that accompanied my application to M.A. when I first applied for the position? If neither of the above is true, perhaps you would be so kind as to provide your adoring public with a short precis of you own experiences in "remote-assessment"of applicant suitability? Are you a spare-time clairvoyant by any chance, or are you perhaps relying on information from other like-minded (small-minded?) persons who also hide behind a pseudonym? I have wasted enough time already , but just to present a few facts (I do hope that you are able to differentiate between fact and innuendo), and we can let others do so evaluation of our respective levels of experience, integrity and basic honesty.
1) I did exist prior to becoming a Commissioner
2) I competed in motorcycle observed section trials and off-road events in the mid-60's as a member of the Sporting Motorcycle Club after arriving from England where I had been an active member of my local and University motorcycle Clubs.
3) I changed from being a most unsuccessful trials rider to an even lee successful trials rider during the early 70's before being forced to retire due to ill-health.
4) For a number of years I was unable , for various reasons that are no business of yours,to continue in competition riding, but in 1991 I was persuaded by a friend of mine to take up Post-Classic racing at the young age of 53.
5) Being a regular mid-field finisher, I am not surprised that I did not come to your avid attention, but I did mange in one season, to win the Hartwell Club 500 P/C championship -- albeit in the year that all of the top riders decided to miss.
6) I became a member of HRAV several years ago, and have been a regular competitor, work day participant, race day competitor or official ever since.
7) As you seem to aware of my financial situation, let me say that I ride as often as I wish in Club practice days and selected events, and that I decided to retire from road racing when I was unlucky enough to suffer a fairly severe and un-diagnosed illness a few years ago. Unlike the majority or riders, I decided that I could put something back into my sport by working as an official in whatever capacity I could be useful.
8) Let me clarify the situation regarding my "infamous" logbook. I owned, and still own, a GT500 Suzuki, one of the machines built and raced by David Andersen, and I had been riding it for a number of years prior to the need for a log-book. I applied for the logbook but my application was refused on the basis of a non-period tank, non-period seat and a braced swinging arm. I objected to the decision of the eligibility assessor, and was informed that it was the decision of the Commission that a logbook not be issued. Whilst disagreeing with their interpretation of the acceptance of "minor items" and allowable up-dates' and being told that evidence of use of specific changes on a period sidecar was not acceptable as a reason for use on a solo, I made the changes that were require, re-submitted my application with photographs of the changes, and was advised by MA in January 2004 that the logbook would be issued. Note that this date pre-cedes my application for the position of Commissioner by some 4 weeks.I await the apology from you and the other members of the "we"that stated that I had become a Commissioner in order to get a logbook. To save you the bother of trying this again, I would like to point out that the logbooks for my TR500 and TR750 were issued without any wrangles or argument from the then Commission.
9) Do you have any idea of what you are stating when you make you accusation about my Officials licence? Not only are you accusing me of cheating, but you are insinuating that a Senior Official of M.A agreed to fake the results of a formal examination in order to provide me with an illegal document. I'm sorry to have to say this, but what sort of absolute moronic individual would come up with such a stupendously ludicrous assertion? For your information, I attended the Officials coaching course at Ballarat Airport with members of the Rovers Motorcycle Club, the Instructor / examiner was Ian Willis, and he dates of the two meetings were the 8th and 15th June 2004. In the final examination my score was 38 / 40 and I am now the proud possessor of a Level 2 Officials licence.If you have any knowledge of the process of becoming an Official at levels higher than 2, you may have been spared the effort of denigrating my "assist in small jobs" role at Winton. I don't suppose it has ever entered your mind that if it were not for the efforts of those doing the "small lobs" there would be no-one with the time to do the "large jobs" and that, as a consequence, no-one to run the meetings for the riders.If it is, to you, an insignificant job to do "spotting" for lap timers, to collate at check scrutineering cards, to check logbook and licence numbers, then perhaps you should be questioning your own levels of experience and expertise rather than casting aspersions upon the efforts of others. I am beginning to understand why you feel it essential to not reveal your name, you are casting a very wide, very insulting net Mr .2stroke. Are you aware of the fact that a Commissioner has no authority, per se, at a race meeting, other than that which is conferred upon him by virtue of any Official's position that he may have been appointed to by either the meeting organisers or controlling bodies?
10 ) Did you attend the International Period 5 Challenge meeting at Phillip Island earlier this year? You are obviously(?) unaware that my fellow Commissioners were not in favour of that meeting being approved because the UK and NZ bikes were not to the local specifications, and as the sole Commissioner in favour of the meeting, the supplementary regs were prepared by me, after considerable discussions with both Australian and U.K competitors. Sorry if this seems to blowing my own trumpet, but you have, with your demonstrable lack of fact and evidence, accused me of not being enthusiastic about promoting historic racing. I can show you my e-mail file covering correspondence with the UK team, and I also managed to meet with them in the UK before they came out here in order to give them further information. I am already in contact with them for next year's meeting, but I guess that is not of any interest to you as it contradicts your self(?)-formed opinion of me and my passion for this sport.
I have said enough, if you wish to accept fact rather than insinuation and lies, I await you written withdrawals and the publication of your apologies to me and the other people whose involvement in this sport you have tried to denigrate. If you chose to continue on your chosen path of anonymity, publishing spurious and un-founded statements about me and others, I cannot stop you, and I feel unwilling to waste much more of my time on you and your associates; who are also not prepared to identify themselves. You are entitled to your opinion of me, as I am of you, but be aware that you will have to establish some credibility if you wish to be taken seriously by the majority of those in my chosen sport. If it is your intention to make me resign from my current position, rest assured that your approach will not succeed, even though I feel quite sick at the thought that someone like you is engaging in tactics that can only bring this branch of the sport into disrepute, and may well cause others to consider whether Historic racing is deserving of their support.
Keith Roberts
|
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
|
|
|
Former Member
deleted
120 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jun 2005 : 6:29:44 PM
|
my god this dribble is from a commish??? its sounds like its from someone who got a weekend pass to come home.
well mr commish most people are very aware you got caught out with your log book, history doesn't lie does it. and also for once we believe ross martin for taking credit for actualy writing the pommie period 5 rules, and not you. i dunno who 2stroke is either but i believe him way more than you, and particularly now after reading this.
i reckon you should submit your bikes to be rechecked under the new philosophy of doom that at present ross martin & co have got you trying to sell to people, you'll probably lose your logbooks like you organised for the guy from sydney to lose his, well thats if the rules apply to a commish of course.
after reading this i've got to says that i wonder if you can actually comprehend what the philosophy of doom is about and what damage its going to do and what people will blame you for.
nah seriously is this all a joke from johnboy to get us going coz i cant believe that even ross martin & co would let a commish make idiots of them like this. if this is the voice of ma were all rooted. |
Jayne |
|
|
|
David
Site Administrator
Australia
999 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jun 2005 : 7:05:52 PM
|
Well Jayne, I am affraid it is fair dinkum.. I want to know why it is so hard for Keith to register on this site! Others don't seem to have the trouble, and if he bothered to read the start of this thread, and stop using terms most would not use here, then he might see where he has gone wrong in registering rather than giving e-mails to John D to post.
I also hate the fact that a Commissioner is using a hotmail.com account to support MA and Historic racing in his role, now that is real professional isn't it? Keith if you want a classicmotorcycling.com.au e-mail account I can set one up for you, just e-mail me and let me know and I can either forward the e-mails on to your hotmail.com account, or give you some logon details to web mail if you want.
Also for or the sake of the sport, talk with or like the others involved in the sport of Classic, Post Classic or Historic motorcycle racing in Australia, Keith, and not down at them as you did in your e-mail to John D. You might find that it will get people talking to you better.
|
Regards,
David
Webmaster & Owner of Classic Motorcycling Australia
Quote: I thought I wanted a career, turns out I just wanted to be paid. |
|
|
|
2stroke
Level 1 Member
South Australia
12 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jun 2005 : 7:21:21 PM
|
Apology Coming up
Firstly an explanation of actions;
I presented the questions which caused Keith’s grief in the light of very little public knowledge of Keith’s involvement within the sport or the club scene in an effort to get answers to rumours floating about.
Apology
I wish to say that my earlier comments about rumours concerning Keiths inability to meet the needs of a commissioner because of the following points are incorrect and I unreservedly apologise for any hurt caused by them.
A] LOGBOOK I apologise for continuing the rumour that Keith did join the MA commission to gain special favours with his logbook for his Suzuki’s. I accept he did not join to get a favour.
B] OFFICIALS LICENCE I apologise for continuing the rumour that Keith had a special favour I accept that Keith did in fact attend an officials training course and, accept the rumour is wrong.
C] ABILITY TO DISCUSS ISSUES
I apologise for suggesting you cannot give an opinion about any issue, I can see from the way you responded that you certainly can give an opinion on an issue.
D] CONTRIBUTIONS
I apologise for not recognizing your contribution with lap spotting, collating and checking scrutineering cards, checking logbook and licence numbers as being a major contributor to the experience required of a National Commissioner. Your involvement with the International Period 5 challenge was unknown and is great but an inspection of the web site shows that others had started extensive work and the discussions long before your involvement, even if they did loose the plot before before the job was taken over. Go to
You must be logged in to see this link. for details
E] GENERAL I apologise for being one of many who think that some involvement at committee level anywhere was an important training ground for a commissioner
I unreservedly say that I got the above specific issues wrong and don’t want to minimize my apology in anyway.
But I have doubts about your ability to meet the needs of a Commissioner at the moment.
I have formed this opinion because your experience is limited to subordinate roles, the manner of your response shows an ability to get angry under perceived pressure which is not conducive to good debate and feel you should resign as a National commissioner until greater experience has been obtained.
|
The Philosopher, the Antagonist take your pick.
He who dares to speak! |
Edited by - 2stroke on 06 Jun 2005 7:29:48 PM |
|
|
|
2stroke
Level 1 Member
South Australia
12 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jun 2005 : 7:41:41 PM
|
I can explain why I remain anonymous.
Nobody needs to see the level of invective you have responded with in the pits.
But these are serious questions and issues that need to be taken seriously without public abuse.
The rumours were rife and undermined your credability as a National Commissioner whom riders believe, maybe incorrectly, was charged with a role to advise or influence MA on behalf of the riders.
But unfortunately I think that whilst there were inaccuracies in my original statement I think your responce has openned up other issues that nobody expected.
Keith, I am not setting out to harm you, but to ensure at a time when many are uncomfortable about the possible future directions of Historic racing we are having good reasoned debate within the system. Evidence is building that suggests we may not be and this should be debated also.
|
The Philosopher, the Antagonist take your pick.
He who dares to speak! |
|
|
|
Alan
Forum Moderator
Western Australia
353 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jun 2005 : 10:16:47 PM
|
I am not going to get involved in the Keith Roberts discussion as it is a pointless excercise as his appointment is made by the hierarchy at MA and nothing anyone says on here will change decisions made at the office. I cannot make comment on his suitability for the role as I have never had contact with him and also have no real knowledge of his experience but one would have to ask why no one from the HMRAV has made comment as he appears to be one of their members.
On the subject of suitability for the role then you would have to ask why people like myself, David Morgan etc etc cannot gain a position. In my case I have been on the committee of the HCMC of WA for countless years having been President, Secretary and currently the Treasurer plus of course having spent time on the Commission. I am also on the MWA Historic Committee. David Morgan also has extensive experience in senior roles in NSW if he wishes to he can expand on that.
There are reasons for us being rejected but as we arent told what they are we cannot do anything to remedy our failings before the next round of applications are due.
I should have forgotten the above dribble and just said that we should be uniting ourselves against any actions taking place that we do not like (the philosophy) and not running down people who are volunteering their time to help our sport. We may not agree with them all of the time but they are prepared to give their time and to make the effort so in my book they should be supported.
Thats enough from me.
Alan Sidecar 21 WA
|
|
|
| |
Topic |
|
|
|
| Classic Motorcycling Australia Forums |
© 2000 - 2025 |
|
|
|
|
Topic Locked
