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2stroke
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South Australia
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 Posted - 06 Jun 2005 : 11:20:37 PM
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'I should have forgotten the above dribble and just said that we should be uniting ourselves against any actions taking place that we do not like (the philosophy)' Alan Warner
I have just come to realize there is a strategy we can use. I heard John Daley talking at Historic Winton about a recent meeting with the MV committees where it was stated, " Thankyou very much to the people who wrote to the sports commission about the licence cost to the DEpt. of Youth Sport and Recreation, we were nobbled by them"
Remember when the head of the Boxing Federation Arthur Tunstall made a fool of himself over Cathy Freeman, it wasn't the Boxing Federation that nobbled him it was the Dept Of Sport.
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If we collectively believe our adminstration is no longer working in the interests of our sport overall, not just Historic RR, then we can appeal to the Feceral Government and state our case. If we talk with other disciplines and see if there is a pattern forming we may have a good case for an overhaul. Lets face it not all disciplines are happy maybe there is a common link.
Since MA recieves funding directly from the Federal Government because it is under the impression we are all happy we can have a voice.
We need to document as much evidence about our concerns, and lets face it after the 2004 National Historic Titles and Ron Kepovitch's recent comments about them in Cycle Torque about Historic racing and also I hear he mentioned something at the Veterans dinner in Victoria recently, there are plenty. Now the 2005 Titles which have not met a single criteria of MA's for a start are looming and its my prediction now that they will not occur and we will be blamed.
Remember the cooked Minutes affair from last year, the letter to somebody about their log book being pulled we need to document this stuff.
Also with the potential introduction of a Philosophy that has the potential to wipe out 60% of existing machines without any thought for reality today, we may have a case.
If we present information in a factual manner to the department questions will be asked, funding may be at risk, things may happen.
Now some may arge, becareful about funding issues, but lets be honest if we if we feel we are staring at something where we may loose 60% of machines, we have commissioners that drop out of the air, good people in the form of Logbook examiners treated poorly, the experience of good people ignored and many other issues where competitors seem to be second rate people maybe it is worth the risk. Transparency and accountability may be the answer.
We need to consider the comments of the wise one, no personality attacks, just facts. Otherwise we loose credibility.
PM me if you want to help with research or facts.
Also let us know here if you dont think we should go down this path, it will be risky, it may be dirty, it may take time. We dont wish to start something nobody supports, so please speak up if you DO NOT SUPPORT THIS APPROACH.
I will contact those I think can organise things and start the ball rolling lets try and get transparency happenning.
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The Philosopher, the Antagonist take your pick.
He who dares to speak! |
Edited by - 2stroke on 06 Jun 2005 11:24:43 PM |
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yamaman
Level 2 Member
Western Australia
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Posted - 06 Jun 2005 : 11:59:22 PM
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Hows this?
I am tending to agree with Snoozer and Alan
To start with petition MA to at least delay the possible introduction of new rules for 12 months, giving everybody ample time to have their say (are the current rules hurting anyone?).
Propose that historic MA commisioners be elected, with a member from each state, and a head commish elected by state reps.
Resulting in real members having a real say in the future of the sport.
Perhaps this woul be a good poll item David? |
Beer makes you feel like you should feel when your not drinking beer |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
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Posted - 07 Jun 2005 : 08:21:32 AM
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Maybe a compromise would be to do all of the above but involve MA in talks before you go to the Sports Department.
That way your case will at least be seen as trying to get a solution without a sledge hammer, you may get greater support from others disatified but may be afriad of the sledge hammer approach and even get a result you all want without the pain of an inquiry from the Feds.
So perhaps you need to list what outcomes you want and the grienances you have before you start and move on from there.
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John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
Edited by - john on 07 Jun 2005 08:23:27 AM |
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Allan
Site Moderator
National
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Posted - 07 Jun 2005 : 08:49:35 AM
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Something is realy wrong hear!! doing a
"VIEW USER'S IP ADDRESS ICON" it is apperant that some forum users use different names to start a debate..When checked on IP address the same address comes up with two different user names from same IP.. Well we are not all silly, so please GET YOU ACT INTO GEAR and do the rite thing for the sport..
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Edited by - Allan on 07 Jun 2005 08:51:33 AM |
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Former Member
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120 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jun 2005 : 6:38:24 PM
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so from what i'm workin out most peoples dont want a lot but what they do want is this.
for ross martin & co to leave the rules alone for a while so people can get on with racing and having fun, and for the commish positions to be filled by elected guys who have a connection with historics.
dont seem a real lot, ross martin could still sit back and buff his knob and keep thinking people approve of him while the rest of the world gets on with things.
if ma has to answer to some goverment people then its a good idea to tell them goverment people that a lot of guys dont think ma is doing a very good job considering theyre hell bent on startin ww3 and wrecking historics but you can be sure that ross martin & co would be telling the goverment people how good they think they are. ma dont run major events of any type, thats what good promoters do, ma dont do anything else either really coz the states do the rest so another thing would be draw ma into telling us all what it is that they do all day, maybe a politician looking for votes could get them to talk.
seeing as theyve decided to wreck historics and wimp out by hiding behind people like keith roberts then any tactic to stop them seems ok. there is really no commish at the moment so why not start now and have elections, times not really a issue coz noone want any rule changes anyway for a while.
one thing i still dont understand is if historics are so unimportant to ma then why do they put so much effort into trying to destroy it. they dont understand it, they dont compete in it, why dont they leave it to people who do. |
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yamaman
Level 2 Member
Western Australia
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Posted - 07 Jun 2005 : 8:44:41 PM
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Dont know about the "most peoples" Snoozer.
There only seems to be a few people commenting on the current situation, perhaps the rest lie in favour of maintaining the status quo?
How do you start up a poll David? Perhaps a poll to get some initial numbers would be the go. Questions like 1: Should MA commisioners be appointed or elected? 2: Should proposed rule alterations be introduced?
Ok, I've worked out the polls area, not so hard after all! I've placed two polls in the poll area, lets see what happens! |
Beer makes you feel like you should feel when your not drinking beer |
Edited by - yamaman on 07 Jun 2005 9:47:16 PM |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jun 2005 : 11:06:07 PM
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Which Status Quo:
The one where we are all wondering whether our machines will be legal,
or the one where we all keep racing and stick with the current rules and philosophies.
But also consider the consequencies of the proposal.
What is the worst thing that could be done in retaliation for going down the path of notifing Federal departments ?
Will other riders thank us for the trouble which may arise?
Are you prepared to take that risk? |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
Edited by - john on 07 Jun 2005 11:07:46 PM |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jun 2005 : 5:22:54 PM
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I have shifted a suggestted manifesto to a new topic.
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John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
Edited by - john on 09 Jun 2005 07:27:18 AM |
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