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acotrel
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Victoria
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 Posted - 03 Nov 2002 : 11:46:04 PM
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With reference to John Daley's question about promotion of Historic Racing:
I was the instigator who started the Winton Motorcycle Club. It is a similar organisation to the Benalla Auto Club and now has 56 members. For one level of membership, reciprocal rights apply. This means the club can use the same promoter - Winton Motor Raceway Pty Ltd.
The two clubs own the circuit.
The CEO of Winton Motor Raceway Pty Ltd is Mick Ronke, he is also secretary of Benalla Auto Club, and President of Winton Motorcycle Club for the first year. The President of Benalla Auto Club is Bruce Robertson.
The point I am about to make is that, if you want to promote Historic Racing, these two blokes are worth talking to. If you have a good sellable idea, on how to make money from it,please let us know.
Winton Motorcycle Club is prepared to help any other club run meetings at Winton.
There are currently moves afoot regarding Historic Racing at Winton which should interest everyone - more later!
I suggest the situation at Winton is one which all historic racers should consider, it's worth exploiting.
Incidently, I'm the Secretary of Winton Motorcycle Club.
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john
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Victoria
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Posted - 05 Nov 2002 : 5:37:25 PM
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| perhaps the racers can come up with ideas which we have not tried to attract spectators and more riders, in particular sidecars. the HMRAv has re introduced the 650cc Post Classic outfits, but maybe there are great ideas out there to be tried. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
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Posted - 06 Nov 2002 : 05:03:24 AM
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I suggest what historic racing is lacking, are designs in each class which can be homologated, and supported by small industry. For example in the Pre62 solo 500 class, a good way to go would be Mike Farrells 500 Jawa in a Norton frame. With a gear boxes limited to four gears, and use of Grimeca brakes, we could get the cost of building down to about $6,000, for something really competitive.
I believe the class I mentioned is a big draw card at any historic meeting, the trouble is that to be really competitive in it, you need the Andy Molnar Manx. (Just the six speed gearbox costs $6000, and the whole bike about $80,000).
Unless we can make the situation where it is possible to race competitively for the same cost of buying and running an RS125, we can forget ever getting really good fields.
It would be a good move to change the rules to prohibit five and six speed boxes in the Pre62 class, and allow Grimeca brakes.
I know the boys are touchy about the 9 inch Grimeca. These days the only competitive bikes have $5,000 special made front brakes.
The cost of the sport is really stupid!
The 650cc Postie Sidecar class is a good idea, let's have more, however let's make the racing cheaper.
Besr Regards,
Best Regards,
Alan Cotterell |
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john
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Victoria
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Posted - 08 Nov 2002 : 3:13:23 PM
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| I have passed your comments on to the Historic committee to see if it can go further. It will need support from clubs to get up so please get your club what ever one you are in to make a presentation to the relevant State Historic Committee. Secondly, are there any ideas about how to get spectators and competitors to be involved with the existing system. I understand SA had some pretty clever ideas, can they be shared. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
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Posted - 09 Nov 2002 : 8:48:17 PM
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I've seen Ago race (with MV) on four occasions in Victoria and NSW. At each meeting there were more Italians present than I believed live in Italy. Over the last three years Bob Blythe has promoted the Inca round at Eastern Creek ( at personal loss). Last year (?) I believe both Barry Shhene and Phil Read were present, hoever Phil didn't get a ride alongside Bazza - how stupid was that, couldn't we find one spare manx or G50 for that kind of comp?
If we can't get our act together and put on some feature races, We'll get nowhere. The Inca round is our best chance to get Australian Historic racers noticed by the public, here and internationally.
It's possible the Inca round will get a wider exposure in the next couple of years, let's make the most of it. To ride against the Inca riders and win, really proves something.
I believe a race was won last year in NZ by a local, I don't think we have achieved that in Australia yet.
If you really want Historic racing to 'take off' in Australia, I suggest we should try to encourage Bob Blythe, and take part in the Inca competition on a serious basis.
I suggest its about time we harmonised our rules with those of Inca, and developed decent 500 and 350 classes, for BEARS machines.
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john
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Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 09 Nov 2002 : 11:29:46 PM
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| The act of not finding a machine for Phil Read may not have been stupid, just unwise. But as a sidecar rider I know nothing of INCA rules, so what are they? I am aware of BEARS racing but it seems to have gone quite with support also. If Bob Blythe is losing money why is he still running the meetings? Why would INCA be any different, if its losing money why do you think it is going to be the saviour of Historic Racing? What do others think about INCA activity? If others think INCA is the saviour why is it not happenning now? Please do not suggest I am "stupid, dumb" for not knowing etc it does not help discussion. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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Allan
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National
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Posted - 10 Nov 2002 : 08:08:33 AM
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Well I believe that the INCA class is for the Rich and Famous Who can afford the types of bikes Barry and the others RACE, any international racers with a spare $90000.
Just have a look at the spare tyres these guy's have! OK they may pull the paying customer's but in the end who wins. LIke if Bob "lost doe" on his efforts what chance have we to commer's got? Why not just support the likes of HMRAV and Phillip Island where for $150 we can race what we have and have good fun!
Yes, Barry and co may put us all to shame with their lap times but in the end it's for us commer's to have OUR fun in racing at a price WE CAN AFFORD! Is it the paying public we need or just more entries PULL your bikes out and have fun on another note I know 4 people who are not RACING because of the cost of the Comp Licence!
Yes last meeting it costed me around $1000 for Winton tyres, oil, fuel for bike and motel and I didn't even throw my leg over it and to top it all off, the rider went gardening on it on the Friday. Like many I try to sponser younger riders "but" beening a low income earner ONE man show, I cannot do much more for the sport.
Sitting in the work shop is 500 Triton. Yes built in 1958. 750 triton, T500's, X2 and TZ350g all ready to race but at $500 per metting I have to sit at home and "cry" because I can not afford to keep up with the Jones's.
Yes Bob keep up the GOOD work with inca! < INCA IS FOR THE 500 CC CLASS> |
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john
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Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 10 Nov 2002 : 10:22:06 AM
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| So can we separate INCA discussions to another forum and determine if there is support for them and keep talking about the other forms of historic here. Licence costs have come up so are there not enough rides for the annual licence or is it simply the $ involved. I have heard a separate comment that one made, the licence is the lowest cost item of the year. Is therean explanation of why and how the cost of a licence could be lowered? |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
2147 Posts |
Posted - 10 Nov 2002 : 1:52:30 PM
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In a previous post I used the words 'stupid' and 'dumb' in relation to some events held in NSW where presence of international riders wasn't capitalised on. I certainly wasn't referring to the efforts of John Daley or HMRAV. I really appreciate John's efforts to do something to help Historic Racing. This forum was developed to give an opportunity for riders and officials to discuss and hopefully find a few solutions, before historic racing really falls in a hole, and I am particularly grateful for John's contributions, they are thought provoking, and make me think of 'what could be'.
I strongly agree with Allan Greenings comments recommending that we should support HMRAV and John Daley.
I previously wrote to MA/MV asking for single event competition licences to be allowed for all historic meetings. If we had these licences, I would turn up to at least two meetings per year, AND RIDE.
The one meeting I will always ride at, is the Seniors Meeting at Mac Park. The licence costs $70, entry was about $30, and THERE IS CAMPING AVAILABLE.
I suggest it would be worthwhile keeping on MA/MV 's tail on the licence issue.
Like Allan I have a TZ350G and an 850 Seeley Norton in the garage, however I'm retired and don't know when my part time business will pay any sort of income to support my racing. Even a saving of $150 on the licence helps.
With respect to Inca - that puts another complexion on the whole thing. If the competition includes international and A grade riders on the fastest machines, it makes the effort really worthwhile. I know the whole thing is about having fun, but you have to 'have a go' at the good guys sometime. If Inca comes here regularly, I'll have to think about building something really competitive (spend a dollar out of my super), even if I have to train a young rider, and put up with all the B******t.
In confidence - I once rode in a race on Allan Greening's Triton against (?) Ron Toombs and Len Atlee on H2R's - I got lapped after four laps, however the experience was worth it. (Don Emde on the XR750 Harley wasn't that quick.)
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john
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Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 12 Nov 2002 : 4:29:42 PM
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| Back to promotion of Historic racing. I have had calls expressing points of view as follows,A] better advertising prior to meetings may boost spectator numbers. More spectators will result in more money in the biccy barrel. More money in the barrel may mean we can have more economcal racing. B] Stricter application of eleigibility may eliminate a lot of the bad blood that has existed and may cause more machines to return to the track, log books are claimed to assist with this matter. I am leaning to the same view about log books. C] Another thought has been to development and encouragement of a Clubman series based on non racing solos. The HMRAV and the NSW historic club have been fiddling with this idea. What do you think? |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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Allan
Site Moderator
National
599 Posts |
Posted - 13 Nov 2002 : 10:30:39 AM
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| By MA clubmans will be in 2005 check on early posts on this subject! |
Allan Greening |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 13 Nov 2002 : 10:59:55 AM
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I have had this note sent to me in the context of another conversation, but I thought they were interesting enough to share we you all. "I still think the only future we have is for all competitors, clubs, promoters, State bodies and MA to follow the GCRs and be very strict with the interpretations of the rules. We have for years be doing battle at Australian Championships with local identities and local officials allowing bikes to run that aren't allowed anywhere else. If clubs jumped on (and then helped them change thier bikes to be legal) competitors the first time they appeared then we wouldn't have this senario today.
Perhaps the Log Books will help, but only if each club event enforces the rule that you have to have one. The first time a club event anywhere in Australia allows a bike to run without a log book then the situation will grow worse and the sport will continue down hill.
I'm basically of the belief that I do not care what the rules are, there are processes to change any and all of them, but if we do not play by the rules we will cease to exsist and sooner than most would expect. We may as well abandon any pretense at an Australian Title or National sport unless each and every one of us stops trying to bend rules or worse ignore them all together in the quest for a $5 trophy.
Keep up the good work I trully believe that inviting discussion to good for the sport." |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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Allan
Site Moderator
National
599 Posts |
Posted - 13 Nov 2002 : 11:36:14 AM
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| Well it funny (pun) but this is why alan and my son David and me Allan started up a web site so maybe we can all get together and sort out all the problem's in classic post/and P5 racing in Australia and at LAST John you have taken the BULL BY THE HORNS and maybe you can get the "rank and file" members of classic road racing to see a CLEAR way to fix up the error's of our way's!! best in classic motorcycling allan ps 'aint used that term in years! even looks like if i was sent a membership form to HMRAV i will join a club which cares about our sport! I hope other may follow suit. |
Allan Greening |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 13 Nov 2002 : 1:39:50 PM
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| Alan I could not help yself, I have sent you an application form via emai. Now we are looking for sidecar teams to fit in with the new 650cc post classic class, we also need a country country correspodant for the newsletter, and there is alwya sroom on the committee for somebody. CYA |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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Allan
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
2147 Posts |
Posted - 14 Nov 2002 : 5:46:33 PM
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John, Would you please put notice of the next couple of HMRAV meetings on this forum. I'd like to go down to a meeting and perhaps join the club.
Best Regards |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 14 Nov 2002 : 6:02:01 PM
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| HMRAV meet at the Albert Sailing Club Aquatic Drive Albert Park. 7.00pm 4th Monday of the month. Next meeting Nov 25th 2002 and the Xmas Dinner at the same place Friday 29 November 2002. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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