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john
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 Posted - 16 Nov 2002 : 11:43:02 AM
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From discussions in the INCA topic there has arisen a point about lack of a class to separate the 750cc and 1000cc machines. So I ask the question is there support from racers to have them separated, but perhaps run concurrently if the numbers are low. What are your thoughts? I imagine the promoting clubs will take interest if genuine support is present.
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John Daley Sidecar #68
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Posted - 17 Nov 2002 : 11:04:06 AM
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With regard to a separate 750cc class in P4 Unlimited you must weigh up the reasons why, Rex Wolfendon has only been beaten twice since Steve Dent won the Aussie Title back in 1997, by Peter Guest on Leo Simpsons Trident which I suspect to be at minimum least 900cc and by Jay Taylor on my 530cc (not to reliable at the moment) Yamaha Special. This bike was constructed to race in the Unlimited class against Rex and his bevy of K&W Honda replicas, if it had to run against 750s and the results indicated in the press that if my bike was successful again but was only the winner of the750 class, leaving the Unlimited class to Rex, Graeme Mc Millen and I would not have wasted our time building it in the first place.
To compete against Rex you have to spend a lot of time in your preparation to bring your bike up to his standards( which are the highest in this country) and a considerable amount of money, so just to beat him in maybe only one or two races is an event of the highest magniude.
By all means include trophies for the first three 750s home in the Unlimited race but dont have the results altered, Unlimited races still should be first past the post, even if it is Rex most of the time, he is what makes us try harder.
Yours in Motorcycling
Rob Hinton
Ps. Dont mess around with the cutoff dates in the Periods. We have had Periods 1-4 for 20 years now and it has worked and Period 5 for 12 years, which I think the only mistake was allowing 4 valve engines in as the GSX and CBR only just make cutoffs by a matter of a month or two and opened up technology that could be fiddled, this was the primary reason for banning electronic fuel injection because it would probably end up with a full blown Motec system on historic bikes which is just not on. |
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Posted - 17 Nov 2002 : 11:12:18 AM
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My apologies to Chris Cutler owner of the famous Laverda, and to Ken Watson the rider as they combined to be the third combination to beat Rex. I'm sure if you would ask Chris why he spent time and money getting his bike up to the standard it is, is to beat Rex and his Honda in fact I know it is.
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Posted - 17 Nov 2002 : 11:56:28 PM
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If a separate 750 class is introduced into P4 it won't take long for someone chuck a lot of money at something, put a good rider on it and go out and start winning (could be CR750 based). Then others will follow suit then the whole merry-go-round will start again with people calling foul and wanting other classes.
Should there be a trophy for first bike home using a Lucas magneto and Champion spark plugs, or do you have the 4 speed derby, or is it really the non Japanese class that some want?
The rules have been around for years and people have built and bought bikes to suit them. Maybe give some recognition to other bikes in a class, a certificate or something, but don't play around withe the classes or the the cut off dates.
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Allan
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National
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Posted - 18 Nov 2002 : 10:12:49 AM
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 Yes I agree just go by the MA rule book and all will be good for all. We do not need any New Rules, just go by what we have and do them to the propper rules.
All we need is more riders and thing's will run ok. NO NEW RULES PLEASE and don't forget LOG BOOKS are in for 2003!!!!!!!!
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john
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Victoria
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Posted - 18 Nov 2002 : 3:03:14 PM
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| The suggestion does not mean new rules, it came because the existing class is unlimited only unlimited bikes front to the track. The discussion is not about how much money we spend on the bikes, but how do we get more machines at the track.If we go back to my question as a club Secretary of how do we attract more riders, the idea was to have the HMRAV offer a separate class for 750cc stock capacity machines,to run either separatley or within the existing event if the numbers warrant it. The idea is not to replace any existing machines. So that the existing biggies still front and the field may be bigger. Otherwise do you have any ideas we can look at please. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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Allan
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National
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Posted - 18 Nov 2002 : 5:28:00 PM
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| John "the word stock" we are racers arnt we! |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
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Posted - 18 Nov 2002 : 9:36:19 PM
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I don't have a problem with Rex's Hondas or the cutoff dates for the periods. I think the suggestion that there should be a P4 750 class is good. There is no CB750 Honda (of 750cc capacity) on this earth which will beat Greg Johnston on that Atlas from NSW. I believe when Tony Cacciotti started riding Rex's Hondas he was impressed with how easy they are to ride. He used to ride the Bill Patterson Daytona Honda 750 in the old days. It had lumpy cams, high comp and meggas. Anyone can build one, if you think you know how to ride a motorcycle, I suggest you try it.
I have a problem with people who race two strokes against British fourstrokes, it's not really hard to win that way, and I even started to build a 580cc Yamaha barrelled Kawasaki in an Egli frame. I've still got it, but why would you bother? If you want to do it properly you really need to buy the $6000 close box to keep up with a narrow power band. The alternative is to build something with a wide spread of torque, I don't think that's what historic racing is about. |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
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Posted - 18 Nov 2002 : 9:43:57 PM
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| I am not sure what you mean Allan, but surely we are trying to get more bikes and racers at the track. What is wrong with stock capacity with re bore allowances if you have other simliar bikes on the track it will be great fun which is where I am coming from now. Not every bike will beat Rex so lets be happy with what we can do. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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