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john
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Victoria
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 Posted - 18 Jul 2003 : 10:57:10 AM
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Do people see merit in forming a branch say of the HMRAV that deals specifically with Historic Superbikes, it may be easier be part of an existing organisation rather than creat a small interest group which often fail because of their narrow interest.
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John Daley Sidecar #68
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acotrel
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Victoria
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Posted - 18 Jul 2003 : 11:36:02 AM
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John, I added my comment under the other topic , sorry.
It would be great if HMRAV could take up the admin, and distribution of a quarterly newsletter. The rules for Period 6 need to be written be interested parties, and I suggest urgently.
The note about the guy building the Wes Cooley replica Suzuki gives a bit of warning that P6 is coming along. Bikes being built now need guidelines. Stuart Loly's bike has turned up at quite a few meetings and hasn't been beaten yet, so eventually someone is going to complain.
The new association could pick up all the old Post Classic Association members, and then some! |
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john
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Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jul 2003 : 07:38:46 AM
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| What are the details of the NZ regs. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
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Posted - 19 Jul 2003 : 8:14:58 PM
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| I agree with Scott about extending Forgotten Era, but let's extend it up to the time when the Delta Box frames appeared. I suspect that was late eighties. |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
2147 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jul 2003 : 8:17:03 PM
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| The rules should specifically exclude Delta Box frames, and four valve heads on V twins |
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Posted - 19 Jul 2003 : 11:27:21 PM
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I dont think the HMRAV needs to set up a sub assoication for P4,5 & 6, just let it be known that the HMRAV welcomes ALL people who have an interest in historic racing.
I am a former member of the PCA who would join the HMRAV if I knew I am welcome, not like a few years ago when anyone from the P4 & 5 scene were looked upon as lepers unless of course it was time to send in our cheques for the Southern Classic. |
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john
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Victoria
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Posted - 20 Jul 2003 : 8:41:23 PM
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| There is a process to go thru with the periods. I can say I have heard that there no discussion about P6 at this moment. As for altering existing periods I think all you blokes will be riding sidecars before that happenns. BUT if you think things should alter go to your club, establish a good reason that suits the whole sport and not just your bike, get support, work thru the State body and push. Currently the argument is that Moderns provide racing for post 1980 and the existing Historic fileds are preety full in terms of nukmber of events, so it will not be an easy case to put. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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acotrel
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Victoria
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Posted - 20 Jul 2003 : 9:18:41 PM
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'Existing historic fields' might be 'pretty full in terms of the number of events', but what's the point of running a lot of events with small grids?
There's no reason on this earth that the unlimited races in P4,P5, and P6 can't be combined.
At present there are P4 races run which include every capacity class. Racing is not about running races with 450 Ducatis in the same events as Rex and the boys - that's what happened in one of my races a year ago! That's not competition - it's b*llsh*t! |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
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Posted - 20 Jul 2003 : 9:25:11 PM
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| I suggest the rules for P6 should mean exclusion of deltabox frames, four valve heads on V twins, and watercooled engines. If necessary we can list the eligible models of bikes. We don't need to recreate the actual 80s superbike class - this is historic racing, not a nostalgia kick - let's set up a reasonably cheap, competitive class with bikes that were around back then. |
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john
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Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jul 2003 : 9:30:00 PM
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| I think its best if another method of discussion is employed. Goodbye |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
2147 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jul 2003 : 09:44:52 AM
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| Last week one of the guys in historic car racing tried to swear me to secrecy. Are we going to get that silly? |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
2147 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jul 2003 : 9:30:05 PM
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Someone pointed out the other day that the cutoff date for P5 is 1980. I always believed it was 1979, which effectively allowed a TZ350 /250 G as the latest Yamaha production racer (no exhaust port control), and limited the four cylinder bikes to two valves per cylinder.
Does the 1980 cutoff date allow four valve per cylinder Suzuki GS1100s to run in P5?
Incidently I saw two GS1100s in the trading post the other day. One was $1650, the other $1800 - both registered. Still reckon it must be the cheapest way to get into historic racing. |
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acotrel
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Victoria
2147 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jul 2003 : 4:58:09 PM
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| I think the best racing I ever saw was in the mid-seventies, when Blake, Greg Johnson, Barelli, Hansford and Sayle were on TZs and H2Rs, and RG500s. I don't believe we will ever go near re-creating that era. The really good bikes have all gone! |
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steve
Level 2 Member
Queensland
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Posted - 28 Jul 2003 : 10:45:05 PM
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I'm with Trevor sort out what we have now with period 4 & 5 before looking at so called period 6.
& if you felt like a leaper a couple of years ago Trevor your arms would have fell off when we went down to Eastern Creek this year Period 3 under 500cc bikes all got prize money up to 10th place I think & some great cup etc etc & the fellow who won outright Unlimited period 3 got a $10 medal let alone period 4 fellows I think it was a 10cent medal we all paid the same money but anyone else besides period 3 upto 500cc are not wanted but our money is!! Period 4 & 5 get screwed every time, for now I don't think the periods 6 hasn't got a chance.
Funny When we went down to Phillip Island the year before we all got a medal & mug for just entering I know where we are going nex't year the promoter of the Eastern creek can take a jump, & the feeling was the same in the pits also.
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acotrel
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Victoria
2147 Posts |
Posted - 08 Aug 2003 : 11:29:51 AM
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I suggest it's about time we discussed what is the definition of an 'historic motorcycle'. Personally I believe Yamaha OWO1 and Honda RC30 are worth preserving, and should be considered as 'historic bikes'.
We all seem to think that the previous generation of bikes 'just gone' are 'moderns. When I was racing that referred to all the bikes we think of as 'post classic. When we began this historic racing thing I rode an 'old' bike in allpowers C grade. My bike was twenty years old - a 1955 Triumph |
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Posted - 12 Aug 2003 : 8:56:01 PM
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could someone give me the full details on the period 1,2,3,4, etc classifications. Where do you get the guidelines? Is it in the GCR'S if not where?
Tony |
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john
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Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 14 Aug 2003 : 3:38:02 PM
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John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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