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john
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Victoria
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 Posted - 27 Dec 2003 : 6:25:22 PM
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Did you notice 2004 licence costs will be $295 plus $10 per event.
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John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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acotrel
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Victoria
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Posted - 27 Dec 2003 : 8:50:43 PM
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| A good start. $100 and $30 per event would be better. |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
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Posted - 28 Dec 2003 : 09:45:23 AM
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Al, these licence costs are a compromise between the requirements of different users, Historiucs through to Moto X's. I dont think they would agree with your proposal.
Life may be easier if we all just got out there and rode our bikes now. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
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Posted - 28 Dec 2003 : 1:07:54 PM
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John, Who is subsidising who? It costs $200 for a competition licence to race a car, from AAA. The MV $350 was unrealistic and excessive. The $295 and $10 per meeting is still over the top!
I get competely jack of every organisation, private and government charging service fees to support their bureaucracies.
If I have to I'll start racing a car! |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
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Posted - 28 Dec 2003 : 2:36:30 PM
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Al, where are the figures to prove your statement that $295 plus $10 levy is still over the top? How much does a road race circuit cost compared with a Moto X circuit? I think if we start working out who is subsidising whom you may find the road race blokes are well behind. Consider resurface Broadford Road Race $350,000, Dirt Track $70,000, Motocross, not known at this stage. In Victoria, Moto X has about 3500 active competitors, Historic road race about 150. Dont forget we now live in an age of user pays,if your are...." competely jack of every organisation, private and government charging service fees to support their bureaucracies." how are we goping to get anything done?
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John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
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Posted - 28 Dec 2003 : 6:28:31 PM
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Al, where are the figures to prove your statement that $295 plus $10 levy is still over the top? How much does a road race circuit cost compared with a Moto X circuit? I think if we start working out who is subsidising whom you may find the road race blokes are well behind. Consider resurface Broadford Road Race $350,000, Dirt Track $70,000, Motocross, not known at this stage. In Victoria, Moto X has about 3500 active competitors, Historic road race about 150. Dont forget we now live in an age of user pays,if your are...." competely jack of every organisation, private and government charging service fees to support their bureaucracies." how are we goping to get anything done?
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John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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acotrel
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Victoria
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Posted - 29 Dec 2003 : 04:25:44 AM
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John, Why am I paying to resurface Broadford? Winton charges $3000 for two days circuit hire, and is able to maintain a staff of eight people, and resurface, and extend the circuit and facilities on a continual basis.
The circuit is owned by Benalla Auto Club which has a much smaller membership than MA, and yet it still manages to stay ahead.
If Broadford is uneconomical, something should be done about it! Perhaps MA needs to employ a Mick Ronke?
(Winton is in use about 350 days per year, why isn't Broadford?) |
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acotrel
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Victoria
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Posted - 29 Dec 2003 : 04:38:13 AM
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Incidently if Broadford depends on Historic Road racers as its sole source of income, it is in deep sh*t! How many ROAD RACERS are there in Victoria NOW, and how many were there when the licence fee was $180 a couple of years ago?
The motocross riders are notorious cheapskates. Some of the guys we meet up here, want a key for club members to get free access to a motocross circuit for practice (don't worry about insurance), they certainly won't get involved in building a circuit, as they can pay $40 and ride every weekend already! |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 29 Dec 2003 : 08:18:08 AM
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| Firstly, Winton has large advertising contaracts with companies so far the motorcycle groups have chosen not to cover the citcuit with adverts although they are thinking about it now. Secondly, it has car racing etc that are specifically banned from Broadford so the track remains suitable for bikes without walls installed everywhere. Such exclusitivity means that not as many track hires take place. That is a decsion bikes took years ago. So ealier groups decided to wear the costs, and as mant have said, if you domnt want a track set up exclusively for bikes, dont become a bike racer.Winton has had commercial management for many years, Broadford has only recently moved in that direction. Broadford has now a very full booking list on the road race compared with the past, ride days, schools, promos etc.And dont forget Broadford has 7 circuits for use exclusively by bikes only. No poncy carrie mugs. Nobody ever claimed Broadford would be budget priced. Nobody claimed Broadford relies soley on road racers, your comments about the folley of that are correct. Whether the Moto Xers are cheap skates or not does not matter, there are thousands of them. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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Posted - 29 Dec 2003 : 2:31:43 PM
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Would it be better if we as a group got our heads together and come up with another group like the AAA.
Has anyone checked the price lately on your car licence fees?
Has anyone bothered to approach CSR-Emoleum,Boral,Pioneer to see if they they would come to the party with the resurfacing at Broady in exchange for advertising around the circuit,on bikes etc etc.
No harm in asking!!!
I reckon some competition for MA would give them a much needed kick in the butt to get their act together.
Regards
Neill
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
2147 Posts |
Posted - 29 Dec 2003 : 2:43:11 PM
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| I'm sure that if a reasonable proposition was made to Bob Jane and Mick Ronke, AAA would consider providing alternative insurance, licencing and facilitation for motorcycle events. It's probably not worth pursuing that avenue at present, until the smoke clears from the battle with CAMS, and all the ramifications of going down that path are known. |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
2147 Posts |
Posted - 29 Dec 2003 : 2:49:08 PM
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John, Winton is the safest motorcycle (and car) circuit in Australia. It simply proves that the two can be compatible, if the layout of the facility is done with a bit of care, in the first place.
I know Broadford was built with extreme amounts of good intentions. It's just a pity our mate Geoff Lanigan wasn't about at the inception! I like the three dimensional aspects of the circuit, however a lot of things could have been done better, particularly with regard to runoff areas. |
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Former Member
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Posted - 30 Dec 2003 : 12:53:03 AM
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Well at least its a step in the right direction for us mugs who have to fork out our hard earned cash to go racing.
Im just wondering if they will drop it more as I still reckon its to bloody high.
What exactly does does the money do for the MA coffers from our licence fees?
Where does that money go?
Regards
Neill |
Its not what you ride,Its how fast you ride it!!! |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 30 Dec 2003 : 08:00:25 AM
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| Contact both MA Mv and get a copy of the financial report, its a public document. Also, both groups have AGM's that anybody can attend. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 31 Dec 2003 : 1:48:21 PM
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One event licences will be $45. There is a new one called "Try out" it is available once only to anybody who wants to play at a super saturday at Broadford. The other newie is a One Day Recreational for $15.
I am working on a plan to have no licence costs for sidecar riders because we are such nice blokes and atract all the spectators!! |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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David
Site Administrator
Australia
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Posted - 31 Dec 2003 : 3:02:21 PM
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This would then be discriminative against solos.quote:
Originally posted by john
I am working on a plan to have no licence costs for sidecar riders because we are such nice blokes and atract all the spectators!!
I have seen a fair few solos that are nice blokes as well (not many but there are a few. 
It should be one fee for all, after all they use the excuse that the fees are for the cost of admin and mainly insurance, and I know that don't change for the year..
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David
Webmaster & Owner of Classic Motorcycling Australia
Quote: I thought I wanted a career, turns out I just wanted to be paid. |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
2147 Posts |
Posted - 31 Dec 2003 : 5:45:00 PM
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| How much are the sidecar riders going to pay their passengers? |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 03 Jan 2004 : 10:13:06 PM
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| Well we were thinking of increasing the fee by double this year. So far we have had a great year of bragging etc and its time we thought of the welfare of the passengers and their families. The only trouble is the ACCC which prevents collusion over costs but we thought we could work thru that. At least sidecar riders are concerned about the well being of their passengers! Who do solos take care of? |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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