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john
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Victoria
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 Posted - 12 Feb 2004 : 10:11:56 PM
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I am speaking personally here, Following the success of the Moto Xers at Broadford who charge $10 per night camping to improve the facilities for the Moto Xers, the HMRAV committee adopted a voluntary plan for a similair idea at the Road race. That plan is being adopted by all clubs now. Yet, unfortunately not many people are contributing the $10 camping fee to assist with the improvements. I have had one person tell me they feel somebody else should pay, and racers should not, it costs enough to race now. I can say I feel pissed off by such a response and personally I am wondering if I want to continue helping so many people with such an attitude at all. One HMRAV committee member has reminded me that is the opinion of only one person, but of the entries received for the Vic Historic Titles, less than 15 % has paid it.
As I have said at the start this is my personal opinon, but I dont feel comfortable about such a large percentage of people not contributing to the camping fee, when some work their butts of to help everybody have a good time at Broadford. When you are faced with $50 a night at a motel or even a caravan park I felt it was good value, but I thought I would seek feedback from any who choose to comment. Should we wait for somebody else to improve the facilities or contribute $10 per weekend and help ourselves. Am I out of order thinking that such an attitude is selfish or is this the way of the world, a few put in and everybody else sucks out of the barrel?
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John Daley Sidecar #68
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Former Member
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Posted - 13 Feb 2004 : 3:29:07 PM
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We are constantly told that one of the main reasons that MAV charge such a high cost for a license in Victoria is to subsidise the Broadford tracks. The roadrace track at least doesn't rate as one of the best in the country so the simple incentive like free camping should remain. It shouldn't become another cash cow for MAV or the HMRAV. After you pay a licence fee and an entry fee and all the other costs involved in getting to meeting its good to get something back for it. If you support continually upping fees in an area of the sport wheres thers not as much money as in others you won't have to bother donating all you're time as there will be no one left to thank you. Free camping should remain for both riders and spectators, it just might be one of the little things that keep people in historic racing and attract new interest.
You had your personal opinion, so this is mine. |
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Former Member
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Posted - 13 Feb 2004 : 8:31:43 PM
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I would rather pay the 10 bucks than the high prices motel/hotel owners charge anyday,and that 10 measly bucks goes to something we will all benefit from in the long run.
The people who dont contribute are the first to whinge about the lack of facilities at the circuit,and that just sh#ts me.
If people want better facilities then how about contributing to it.Its that simple.
There are facilities that need upkeeping,ie water tanks,sewerage to dispose of,roads to maintain it keeps going and going,so instead of moaning about how expensive this sport is why dont you come to Broady for the working bee and see for yourself what is needed around the circuit.
Things do cost money!!!
My partner marshalls at these events and although she has been offered free camping she has stated to me that she will be paying as that $10 is a help no matter which way u look at it.
What a selfish attitude some people hold about this.
To all the 80+% who didnt pay they shouldnt be allowed to camp there if they havnt paid.
Hope to see you up there helping out snoozer.
Regards
Neill
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john
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Victoria
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Posted - 14 Feb 2004 : 08:09:04 AM
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I can say that the fees paid so far have gone back into the ground at the site. Currently the HMRAV and MV are installing a fresh water supply around the pits and towards Bay 13 for use by campers. If we get any funds from the Vic Titles it may be used to improve the interior look of the tiolet blocks, unless a better suggestion comes up. MV have advised that whilst they want to improve the site, such other matters as Resurfacing the Road race and moto X circuits,security fencing, new interior roads, new marshalling points all come first on the expenditure list. It may be 5 - 8 years before any thing is available for the campers and spectators from MV funds. Our plan was to copy the success of the Moto X and Dirt track areas and accelerate the improvements. As a personel point I put in about 20 hours a week to help the HMRAV, so do other committee members, we still pay the entry fees. What would happen if all the committee people said, I am not going to do more than any of the competitors who dont do anything now. Where would we be. I should add Broadford has had a problem with somebody after race meetings stealing; light globes, chairs, fire extinguishers and firewood from the Road Race pit area so they are getting extra value from the site, all of which is paid for from MV funds, although chairs have been previously donated by people.
The money does not become a cash cow for the HMRAV. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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john
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Victoria
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Posted - 14 Feb 2004 : 10:08:24 PM
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Hi John, I am amazed that racers object to paying a measly $10 to camp. I'm with you on this one.
Best wishes
Dave Gittus, Maldon |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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Posted - 15 Feb 2004 : 7:54:42 PM
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| mac park allows free camping and i would think that broadford track is at about the same level, that is it's a club curcuit.plus mac park is privately owned, not funded by some "government aproved" enterty. you guys should be trying to attract more entry's, not slugging the faithful with more costs. if you can develop the track to rival phillip island then you can do what they do, don't allow any camping because everyone will want to come and race anyway, but to do this you will have to demolish the track and start again. |
There are those who do, those who used to do and those who never did..
why is this 3rd group always trying to convince everyone they know best? |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 16 Feb 2004 : 07:47:08 AM
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| ADmirable idea, but who is going to be the person who does the effort? The same people now or new ones. It's extra resources beyond the existing that is required and currently many seem to sit back and wait for others to do the work so they benefit. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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keith campbell
Level 3 Member
Victoria
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Posted - 18 Feb 2004 : 10:53:12 AM
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g'day i am alive and feeling much better now.
What about a distance travelled = free camping?
Anywhere in S.A. is a long way from Broadford!
cheers Keith
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
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Posted - 18 Feb 2004 : 11:00:43 AM
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| How about free camping for anyone from outside Victoria? i.e. your car has interstate number plates. |
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Allan
Site Moderator
National
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Posted - 18 Feb 2004 : 2:48:53 PM
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 why not just FREE  camping. Mac Park did charge at one time but dropped the idea caus' some one had to collect the monies and was such a pain, it was not worth the monie and effort. also when they dropped the charge more people actually camped at the track  |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 18 Feb 2004 : 5:06:05 PM
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| The bottom line is that the council will soon require improvements because of the increased camoping activity we have been generating. If the improvements are not made, camping may be banned by the Shire on the Ground sit does not meet any of the new standards. Curently, camping or Motels will cost a substantial amount and MV have other more important aspects to concentrate on at the moment. The idea of a self help program, to build on the efforts of those who have travelled the path in earlier years to improve the standards asap seemed like a good idea, compared with closure. I am aware I charged in hard earlier, but this is how I see the situation overall and there is a chance to change things. Also I am aware that the greatest number of those who complain about costs are those who dont attend any working bees, attend few club or MV meetings and dont drag paying spectators along, all of which may help the situation. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
Edited by - john on 18 Feb 2004 5:09:03 PM |
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Patrick
Level 3 Member
Victoria
314 Posts |
Posted - 18 Feb 2004 : 9:37:29 PM
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Just got my rebuilt computer up and going so where better to enter a first post than the Classic MA site.
After a number of calls today I am concerned on some issues and would like [with respect] to use your forum to address same.
Camping fees are of interest at Broadford and we should state after consultation what we belive is the correct state of play.
Camping for competitors,crews,officals and medalion holders is free of charge at Broadford for all events. This is in recognition of the huge effort that went into and continues today with the formation of the Broadford Complex.
If you don't fall into the above category then we ask for a voluntary payment of $10 per site no restiction on days - although we would be asking why you were still there after a week!
We know it's basic but the majority do not seem to mind - we have a list of motels but a night under the stars at Broady is not to be missed!
As the sun comes up on race day at Broadford the site of tents - bikes - people - smoke from bacon browning is something we should all cherish.
Regards Patrick
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Allan
Site Moderator
National
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Posted - 18 Feb 2004 : 10:43:07 PM
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 Hey hold it!! This is NOT a MA run site as you state  It is a private run web/forum run by David in the interest of classic motorcycling in australia and any forum is of personal interest and NOT the veiw of MA  |
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Patrick
Level 3 Member
Victoria
314 Posts |
Posted - 18 Feb 2004 : 10:56:48 PM
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Opps - Try Classic Motorcycling Australia - sorry !!
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David
Site Administrator
Australia
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Posted - 19 Feb 2004 : 05:34:13 AM
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Well, this is different story to what has been said in the earlier posts.quote:
Originally posted by Patrick
Camping for competitors,crews,officals and medalion holders is free of charge at Broadford for all events. This is in recognition of the huge effort that went into and continues today with the formation of the Broadford Complex.
If you don't fall into the above category then we ask for a voluntary payment of $10 per site no restiction on days - although we would be asking why you were still there after a week!
From what was said in the earlier posts, it was a matter of it didn't matter who you were, you had to pay the fee and it was per night, and not the site for the entire meeting. Patrick, what is your relationship to the Broadford track? Are you on the committe there at Broadford?
I will be paying the $10.00 fee when I go to Broadford in March, but we would also like to also get a clear understanding on what the correct fees are as well, as a group and if they are required or not by competitors.
On the note from Allan, yes this is a privately run site from both Allan and myself and is in no way run by MA. We have asked MA for input to help Classic/Post Classic & Historic riders out, but these calls have been ignored from as high up as David White (CEO MA).
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David
Webmaster & Owner of Classic Motorcycling Australia
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Patrick
Level 3 Member
Victoria
314 Posts |
Posted - 19 Feb 2004 : 08:00:11 AM
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I am employed by Motorcycling Victoria as manager of the
Broadford Complex. I made the post in my own time to clarify
the position from MV/Broadfords point of veiw.
Clubs who hire the various tracks are able to charge gate fees,
entry fees, trade stand fees, pit shed hire fees and camp fees
if they wish. Some clubs do some don't.
HMRAV have the right to charge fees and they have offered to
use camp fees collected to help with improving the Road Circuit - same as what the MX clubs do.
We often have requests for overnight camping from competitors
prior to events.
This weekend we have a two day open at the MXGP track most
competitors will camp overnight. I am sure that they will pay
the camping fee that the promoting club asks for.
Patrick.
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
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Posted - 19 Feb 2004 : 08:48:08 AM
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| Patrick, Any circuit/club that offers free camping will probably get better support for meetings. I wouldn't object to paying $10 for a couple of nights. However it's extremely pleasant to go to Mac Park, and experience their hospitality. The simple way is to collect a gold coin or note donation - the facilities have to be paid for. Donations could be collected at scrutineering. |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
2147 Posts |
Posted - 19 Feb 2004 : 08:51:58 AM
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| Perhaps MA stands for Mr Allan ! |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 19 Feb 2004 : 09:39:57 AM
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| Listen fellas, I am aware I have gone in hard on this point. I also remind everybody the topic is "Voluntary Camping Fee" which I floated to allow a speed up of the improvements to the camping facilities at the Road Race circuit only. The idea is to help ourselves to help ourselves. Many have taken to opportunity to telephone with abuse etc sometimes anonymously when they have not read the proposal clearly. Abuse is a sign of weakness, please just read the message clearly. If you want to ring me call 9888 5297 I am happy to talk about it. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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David
Site Administrator
Australia
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Posted - 19 Feb 2004 : 10:26:17 AM
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John,
Like I said, I will be paying my fee to pitch a tent.. If it is going to help the sport and the facilities, then I am there. Just that the topic was confusing and it was made to sound you had to pay the fee. Plus you asked what others thought.
Others,
If you are not man or woman enough to say who you are, then don't call up people and abuse them cause you think it may help, well it won't, it will just stuff it up for you and the rest. If you do not want to pay the fee, don't as it is a Voluntary system.
With risk of having people have a go at me, I must also add that if you do not care enough about your sport to make a donation to help improve your sport, then maybe you should not be in it.
The colloector of the fee,
I feel if we do donate to the camping fees, then we have a right to know what the fees pay for. Could we be given a break down on how much is collected and what it was spent on? I think that this is a fair request.
What do others feel?
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David
Webmaster & Owner of Classic Motorcycling Australia
Quote: I thought I wanted a career, turns out I just wanted to be paid. |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
2147 Posts |
Posted - 20 Feb 2004 : 07:37:27 AM
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| Perhaps fees collected from camping and their end use should be listed in HMRAVs or MAs annual report? |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 20 Feb 2004 : 08:09:30 AM
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| Jeez Al you are making it hard to administer. My post on 14 Feb. explained the first lot of the money is going to fresh water supplies in the pit and Camping area tpowards Bay 13 and the next project was probally being directed to improving the interior of the tiolet block unless somebody came up with a better idea. I am not frigging around with annula reports, if people want to think we are frittering it away on pistons , let them come on down and tell us to our face, or better still come on the committee and do the job THEMSELVES. You trust us to handle $1000's of dollars to run a meeting for you in our spare time, but you dont believe the $210 we got from the first meeting was spent in a manner you approve, well, come on down and join the committee as well, you will be made most welcome.WE also had intended put a note in the program about the concept. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
2147 Posts |
Posted - 20 Feb 2004 : 4:17:21 PM
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| Yeah, you're right. I'm appalled that anyone could ring up and carry on about a fee of $10 - motel costs ten times that! Anyway we'll be able to see an improvement in facilities, and the guys can start complaining if there is no improvement. |
Is your machine authentic or merely eligible? |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 20 Feb 2004 : 4:42:15 PM
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| I hope that after all the duscussion people will see there may be an advantage to them to assist. Some blokes have been collecting chairs for the pit sheds, somebody esle has been finding the large wheelie bins, there are many items which can be donated from old stuff. Just check with Patrick or put a message on this site somewhere and somebody can say yes please or no thanks. One thing we are looking for at the moment is posts to exclude some cars from the camping ground near the fence, star pickets, tables etc for the cafe area, tiles which could be used in the toilets, doors for the tiolets etc theres heaps. Yes MV can supply it but we all know that will be ages down the road before they get around to it. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
Edited by - john on 20 Feb 2004 5:34:33 PM |
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matcho mick
Advanced Member
New South Wales
570 Posts |
Posted - 20 Feb 2004 : 11:51:13 PM
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g'day folks,if all it takes is $10 to be able to stay within the confines of the track complex over the race weekends,it's a small price compared to driving/staying elsewhere for accomodation,no matter how close you can get?,not too many tracks on the east coast where at least it's an option!,policies now changed at Eastern Creek no more "camping" in the pits,(but then guess whos' running the show)i like to think it's a privlige,not just coz we pay to race anyway!,my 10C worth,Mick
bugger spellcheck?,good to see Herbie up & about too,onya mate!! |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
2147 Posts |
Posted - 21 Feb 2004 : 01:04:01 AM
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| How did 'bugger' get thru Davids anti swearing software? |
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David
Site Administrator
Australia
999 Posts |
Posted - 21 Feb 2004 : 08:22:17 AM
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Well if "bugger" can be used on a TV commercial for an international car company, then why not..quote:
Originally posted by acotrel
How did 'bugger' get thru Davids anti swearing software?
I see no issue with it.. |
Regards,
David
Webmaster & Owner of Classic Motorcycling Australia
Quote: I thought I wanted a career, turns out I just wanted to be paid. |
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Allan
Site Moderator
National
599 Posts |
Posted - 22 Feb 2004 : 07:56:56 AM
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Well 200 hits on this subject and 26 reply's "maybe" Pat and MAvic can make some type off message of what the "riders ' think of b/ford and camping FEE  |
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Patrick
Level 3 Member
Victoria
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Posted - 22 Feb 2004 : 9:26:00 PM
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At the HMRAV track day at Broadford today everyone enjoyed themselves and had plenty of track time. I think that some who attended were surprised at the size of the campsite the other code had set up. With over 350 entries for the two-day event it was like a small town and the pilot of the gyro-copter that flew many sorties over the site today said that the entire pit and paddock area was full of tents and vans.
If we can get a big crowd camping at the Historic Titles we should all be all very pleased.
I have followed the topic of fees with interest. Alan G states that 26 posts have been made [ by 9 members ]
I am happy to take the findings to our Wednesday 25th meeting maybe we can get the thoughts of a few more by then.
Patrick
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
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Posted - 23 Feb 2004 : 12:57:27 PM
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| Where was the HMRAV track day advertised? Quite an achievement to get over 300 people there! HMRAV must be doing something right! |
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David
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