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David
Site Administrator
Australia
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 Posted - 24 Feb 2004 : 6:07:46 PM
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OK, just heard on the news that Philip Island circut has been brought by Lindsay Fox (Linfox). Can this be confrimed by the powers that be?
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David
Webmaster & Owner of Classic Motorcycling Australia
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Former Member
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Posted - 24 Feb 2004 : 7:35:33 PM
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Could we be getting truck racing there soon?
If thats the case I dont think motorcycling will last at the Island for much longer,He loves his trucks and cars but what about the bikes?
Could he have bought it to use as a driver training track for his truckies to learn how to drive?(cause some of em cant)
I reckon MA might know a thing or two but wont tell anyone.
Can anyone enlighten us on whats going on?
Regards
Neill
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Patrick
Level 3 Member
Victoria
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Posted - 24 Feb 2004 : 8:09:24 PM
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This is not from the "powers that be" but a whisper this afternoon from a non connection had me glued to the screen for the news - after a 30 sec grab about Mrs Fox's stolen diamond thingey I was set to ring my source's neck when up it came. PI sold to L Fox - subject to resolution of some formalities.
Patrick
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David
Site Administrator
Australia
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Posted - 25 Feb 2004 : 07:09:30 AM
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OK was reading The Age (Melbourne newspaper) online and they have this to say: You must be logged in to see this link.
Basically:quote:
Mr Cameron said Placetac - a consortium of Phillip Island landowners - was selling the land because it did not have the resources to further develop it. The hotel resort permit gives approval for a two to three-level development that must be completed by 2007.
Source: The Age - 25th Feb 2004
But read the full story and await the response I get from the Circuit Management from and e-mail I sent them yesterday.
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David
Webmaster & Owner of Classic Motorcycling Australia
Quote: I thought I wanted a career, turns out I just wanted to be paid. |
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Allan
Site Moderator
National
599 Posts |
Posted - 25 Feb 2004 : 08:27:32 AM
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 Well maybe we were correct a few month's back when we stated that the Island had been sold  (But the powers to be said rubbish and get your facts correct ) Was it that the I's had not been dotted  |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
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Posted - 25 Feb 2004 : 10:07:36 AM
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| I received a letter from PIMS which explained the details of the prposed sale for an undisclosed price. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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Former Member
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Posted - 25 Feb 2004 : 10:21:33 AM
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Just read the Aged story and no menton of any track improvements,just a resort facility.
Dont like the way this could be heading,I think we will be dodging golf balls as we power down the front straight hit by twits with too much money and not enough brains.
Give me Broady anyday as Phillip Island is becoming to much of a sterile enviroment with some officials having their craniums stuck up their rectums(my opinion only) and its going to become an adventure playground for the rich only.(wait n see).
Regards
Neill
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Posted - 25 Feb 2004 : 1:41:37 PM
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Although the resort could quite easily double as the Sidecar riders lounge which is a good thing I suppose.
Hopefully Mr Fox+Co will inject some much needed funds into the track and facilities,ie track drainage, a permanent expo tent,upgrading of track comms,upgrading of marshalling points,etc etc,the list could never end.
having spent many a day trackside flaggin I have seen the best and worst the island has to offer and would welcome any change to the ammenities around the place.
Hope Mr Fox will see the light!!!
Regards
Neill
The Sidecar Riders Lounge Resort has a nice ring about it dont ya think.
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
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Posted - 25 Feb 2004 : 5:33:12 PM
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I note Neills comment:
'Give me Broady anyday as Phillip Island is becoming to much of a sterile enviroment with some officials having their craniums stuck up their rectums(my opinion only) and its going to become an adventure playground for the rich only.(wait n see).'
I can only say that opinion in the car racing world is that tyre walls along straights are a no-no for car racing. The V8 supercars and others won't run at PI, and effectively the circuit can only exist for motorcycle racing. It's just too fast and dangerous for cars as it is at present.
So if Lindsay wants to make a go of it, he'll have to take a really professional approach to motorcycle racing, or find another use.
Thing to note is that the recent historic meeting at PI brought a lot of really good machinery out. The guys seem to believe PI is a 'real circuit', it is actually popular with our lot!
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Former Member
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Posted - 26 Feb 2004 : 02:04:29 AM
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Does anyone know the answer to this question how many people have been killed at the Island car racing as opposed to bike racing?
I believe that Phillip Island should be left for the bikes and the V8 fellas should not be racing there.
If tyres are that dangerous why are they used in F1 Indycar and so on.
Its the way they are designed and banded together that needs to be addressed.
The run off areas were not designed for cars when the track was built.
Besides remember all the hoo haa about it winning some awards for being the best motorcycle track etc etc.
Lets hope it stays that way.
I shall clarify the officials bit though Im refering to a very select minority that have their heads elswhere,and guess what they are all pretty much involved in car racing but they crawl out of the woodwork come Moto GP and S/Bike weekends.
Im praying that the sale will favour us all in the bike scene and not those boring old tin tops.
Geez I wish I had a spare 10-20 million laying around I would have bought it and turned it into a sidecar only venue with the exception of solos only being let out on certain days of the month.ie rainy ones
Lets wait and see what happens with this one.
Regards
Neill
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Edited by - n/a on 26 Feb 2004 02:21:48 AM |
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David
Site Administrator
Australia
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Posted - 26 Feb 2004 : 08:58:58 AM
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So what is the official word from MA? I know that David White & Ross Martin read these forums pretty much every day. I am not sure about Al Kidd, but would not be suprised.
Can MA please advise the Classic/Post Classic & Historic community on what is happening with PI as far as the use for motorcycle racing is concerned? Would be nice to get the official word from someone.
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David
Webmaster & Owner of Classic Motorcycling Australia
Quote: I thought I wanted a career, turns out I just wanted to be paid. |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 26 Feb 2004 : 10:19:41 AM
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| Lets leave the V8's to sook about the tyre walls. I am sure there is more to the story than we will find out for a while. As for thr proposed Sidecar Riders Lounge they just need to keep the doors a bit wider than normal so we can work on the machines in the event of snow etc. I shall draft some palns for Lindsay to check out and keep in mind. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
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Posted - 26 Feb 2004 : 10:53:23 AM
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The tyre walls are a problem for motorcyclists as well. I believe one rider broke both legs when he got tangled with one at the MotoGP last year.
The story with the tyre walls along the straights is that if a car hits then they compress, then they lauch the car into the air. At a meeting last year a car ended up in the spectator area, luckily there were no spectators, it was not a big meeting.
Winton has had to remove all tyre barriers except at a couple of places, where they are covered by conveyor belting. A few years ago a car was launched into the front of the spectator area. 15 people were injured as they ran away.
Even the MotoGP speeds at PI are excessive, and the runoff at turn 1 gets into the circuit at the other side.
PI has got a few problems which need to be addressed.
It's not a matter of 'woosing', but PI (and other circuits) depend on cars for profitability. Lindsay will want to make a profit, so you can expect to see concrete walls along the straights at PI sometime, and the cars running there.
Incidently there was a monster accident there two years ago when a V8 did the thing and climbed the tyre wall. |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 26 Feb 2004 : 4:35:54 PM
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| I move a momtion that V8's be banned cos they are obviuously a danger to the public. As for the tyres braking a riders legs, I reckon he would have broken then what ever he hit anyway. Buttt!!! if he rode a sidecar there would not have been a problem anyway. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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Former Member
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Posted - 26 Feb 2004 : 7:11:47 PM
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| According to my Dad, the only bike related death at Phillip Island was the rider of sidecar who went off the track exiting Southern Loop and hit guess what! Dad thinks there was a pipe or a post in the tyre wall that did the damage and also thinks the sidecar was a Vincent. I'm surprised he can remember the last time he rode let alone details like that, any way there could be something to look at regarding the tyre wall issue. Or ride solo's if you can get away with just broken legs. |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
2147 Posts |
Posted - 26 Feb 2004 : 7:28:39 PM
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| I'll let you know how many deaths there have been at PI. I believe I was told it was about 1.5 per year. The last was a motorcyclist who died in the air ambulance, if I remember correctly. End of last year there was a guy killed at the dam in a VW, and the year before a guy in an historic car was killed on the same corner. |
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Former Member
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Posted - 26 Feb 2004 : 11:21:23 PM
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i am suprised no one has remembered but one of Australia's GREATEST motorcycle racers died in a 'super tourer' car race at PI in 1994. his ford mondeo left the track and hit the inside tire wall after corner 1 (it wasn't called Doohan corner then) and bounced back onto the track where it was T-boned by someone following.
DOES ANYONE REMEMBER GREGG HANSFORD................
i beleive that PI is not really safe for bike racing and unless they move some retaining walls back from the track they may well loose the GP |
There are those who do, those who used to do and those who never did..
why is this 3rd group always trying to convince everyone they know best? |
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Former Member
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Posted - 27 Feb 2004 : 01:00:56 AM
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Its was Daniel Pedrosa who broke both his ankles at turn 2 I know I was the one who picked up his bike doing recovery.What a way to finish your world championship.
Wonder what speeds the Dukes and Rossi's Yamaha will be doing this year at the PI.
This should be another topic elsewhere regarding safety and death at circuits.
Im hoping that this resort has Guinness on tap and supplies grid girls with big um um umbrellas to shade the sidecar crew from the elements.
I wonder if the track will get any improvements from this sale.
John hows that proposal coming along?
What about rub downs for weary passengers by women in skimpy clothing thats one thing I would propose to him.
One can only hope....
A separate car track would be good too.
Thats why I like Broady so much not a boring car to be seen and it only has motorcycle related racetracks on its grounds.Like I said give me Broady anyday.
Regards
Neill
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Edited by - n/a on 27 Feb 2004 01:03:35 AM |
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David
Site Administrator
Australia
999 Posts |
Posted - 27 Feb 2004 : 04:55:14 AM
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Come on guys and girls, sorry, but this topic was about the sale of Pillip Island, and not about who's riding what or who has been killed.
We want to know how this sale is going to affect motorcycle racing in general at the track. Is motorcycle racing going to stay or is the track going to close?
I still have not heard from the Pillip Island Circuit management or from Motorcycling Australia, I guess the Classic, Post Classic or Historic riders don't matter to either of them. I am sure if we were the folks that ran the Motorcycle GP, they would be assuring us that everything was fine...
Maybe that is were I try next, with the international body of the GP and find out if someone has spoken to them as MA sure as hell will not talk to us. (see, frustration comming out again).
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Regards,
David
Webmaster & Owner of Classic Motorcycling Australia
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Allan
Site Moderator
National
599 Posts |
Posted - 27 Feb 2004 : 07:40:13 AM
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| mybe should go into remenber when!! |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
2147 Posts |
Posted - 27 Feb 2004 : 08:13:21 AM
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A well known guy in the car racing fraternity said recently that PI would only be used for motorcycle races in future. Their guys seem serious about giving PI a miss! The suggestion was made that the V8s withdrew from PI by arrangement between Lindsay and Avesco to get a better price, but I think that's a lot of garbage!
The message is (for the time being) IT'S PROBABLY OURS!! |
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Posted - 27 Feb 2004 : 09:01:45 AM
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Check the latest edition on AMCN Vol53No 16 Page 8 regarding the sale.
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