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David
Site Administrator
Australia
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 Posted - 07 Nov 2004 : 5:38:37 PM
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OK, just got home from the AUS Historic Titles (and BEARS titles).
After some discussions with some of the people that did turn to the meeting, it was agreed that the Australian Historic Titles was not as good as what it could of been. There seemed to be quite a few riders down, and the spectator base was not the best (even from what I had seen).
None the less, even with the riders that did turn up, there was plenty of action and great riding on the track. I must also say that both the wife and I during our stay in Benella were dissapointed to not see any advertising of the Australian Historic Titles just some 10 minutes down the road. This could explain the spectator numbers being down.
I got a chance to meet a few of the users that input to this site and would also like to say that there where quite a few that told me they visit the site and read, but do not post in the forums for what ever reason. Well I am going to say this yet again, you need to get off your rear end and start making a difference by putting your views up, and getting the answers you are looking for, and what better way than doing it on not only a national level, but a international level.
We are here providing a free service for you to make comments, and find out information and yet you still choose to sit on your hands and not help, not only your sport, but yourself. Get in to it and make a difference.
Jayne, you make a special mention here. We all went looking for you, but it was anyones guess who you are, so if you can do me a favour and let me know if you turned up or not, and you can even send me a private message as to which group you where with if you did turn up so I can get an idea as to what you look like. (I promise I will not tell anyone).
I even have some photo's to go online later this week-end from the Australian Historic Titles, which includes a certian couple of users favourite topic, sidecars. I have pictures of a heap of sidecars. Shall let you all work out who would like to see them!!! 
All in all, the Australian Historic Titles did not feel as good as the the Phillip Island meeting in January 2004 (Sorry Winton Motor Raceway, but I need to be honest with what I had seen), but may of been OK for what riders turned up. If, and this is a big if you ever do the Australian Historic Titles again, get a shit load more advertising and not just the free stuff from web sites, but get on the radio atleast 2 weeks before in the major capital cities, get posters made up and get some riders to plaster them up over the palce to not only get riders there, but also spectators.
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David
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David
Site Administrator
Australia
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
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Posted - 08 Nov 2004 : 08:09:05 AM
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It costs $20K to do the TV ad thing. If it was likely to be returned through gate takings, it would have been done.
Pictures of the meeting will be at You must be logged in to see this link. |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
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Posted - 08 Nov 2004 : 11:31:26 AM
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I have been asked by Committee to make sure the following facts about the Aussie Titles.
The HMRAV is concerned that many people still believe that the HMRAV promoted the 2004 Aussie Titles, in fact they have been talking to the committee. The Victorian Historic Management Committee members Max Hooper and John Daley did attend Winton on the Monday prior to the meeting to try and assist with any issues.
Max and John advised Winton management about a number of issues which included the following
- Length of support solo races and sidecar races may be too long.
- remove a Sidecar from the solo events
- Mixture of classes is dangerous and riders will not be content with the mix.
- Push bikes in the pits may be a problem to be aware of.
- Winton felt they had enough officials to assist.
- Could some compromise about the fuel limitations be arrived at.
The Vic HMC attended in an effort to try and overcome some of the issues that would cause problems for the riders as a whole. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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David
Site Administrator
Australia
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Posted - 08 Nov 2004 : 5:21:39 PM
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Two things here Al,
The advertising that was mentioned was radio and posters, and that wouuld surely get a few more in.quote:
Originally posted by acotrel
It costs $20K to do the TV ad thing. If it was likely to be returned through gate takings, it would have been done.
Pictures of the meeting will be at You must be logged in to see this link.
The other thing was that I have already pictures up here as I stated in my second post, which includes the spectators area at about lunch time that has the canteen that people can buy food and drinks from. Doesn't look to busy.
Also, has this site touched a raw nerv with the Winton Motor Raceway Ltd group as they seem like they do not want to provide any information to this site about the meeting even though we started promoting the event and they would not answer questions when asked and in turn users decided they would try to persude the answers, but they just don't give information?
Look Al, you know why this site was started and it was not meant to be pleasant to groups who refused to give information out on the sport, and that is what it seems to of happened from Winton Motor Raceway Ltd, the refusal to give out information. And you know all the riders want is the information to be supplied for them, and what a better way than from a site that is trying to help the sport out, and only that sport (hint, hint) as the others do not have the time to do it.
All I am going to say, is if Winton Motor Raceway Ltd do not want to supply information about Classic/Post Classic & Historic motorcycling racing events, then don't bother trying to get money from the riders or spectators, cause you as a group, do not deserve it. But if you want to supply the honest information, then we at You must be logged in to see this link." target="_blank">Classic Motorcycling Australia will try help you not loose any money.
Just to give you some stats for the week just gone:
Total hits made on You must be logged in to see this link." target="_blank">http://You must be logged in to see this link.: 22033
And you need to remember that some users where busy getting ready for the week-end and Saturday and Sunday was the slowest days. Food for thought there Winton Motor Raceway Ltd.
John,
Are we in 2005 already, or is that meant to be 2004, which we all know the 2004 Australian Historic Titles was done via the Winton Motor Raceway Ltd group. 
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David
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
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Posted - 08 Nov 2004 : 6:29:54 PM
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I didn't believe it was appropriate to comment on the success or otherwise of a meeting I was involved with. About a week ago I was threatening to sell off my bikes overseas, or burn them, and take up yachting. I am pleased to say all the bullsh*t and flack was worth it. During the weekend I saw historic racing that was better than it was in the era. One of Winton's neighbours helped about 50 riders repair machines and actually made a good quid, even though his charges are reasonable. He's a guy who raced at Winton and Hume weir back then. His comment was that he'd never ever been to such a b*lltearer meeting in his life. Never before had he experienced so much testosterone flying about. He said every race was action packed, and he absolutely loved them. The thirty + bike grids really made it.
I had a talk to one of the car club members who said the last unlimited P3/P4 race with Wally Campbell in it was 'awesome', and he doesn't even like bike racing.
The guys who really impressed were Kel Carrick, Craig Ditchburn, Cole, Craig Morris, Terry Morris, Simon Thomas.
I saw Peter Guest finish in front of Wally Campbell. Wally Campbell go round Rex in the Wet, and Rex wolfenden beat both Peter Guest and Wally Campbell in the dry.
There was superb racing in all classes, and in most there were at least three groups of guys all going for it!
I was doing the commentary, and couldn't drag myself away to even have a leak. I waited until the sidecar race, and even that was a thriller.
Over two days we ran 45 events, many with over 35 riders in them, and the meeting was at most about 45 minutes late.
One BEARS rider ended up in Wang hospital on Friday during practice with broken collar bone, three broken ribs and a punctured lung. Two guys were hospitalised on Sunday, one with a broken arm, one with a small bone broken in his back (suspected). That particular guy had 15 rides and 9 practice sessions - I don't think he got to all of them.
I might be selfish, but I saw the best historic racing I've seen in 30 years.
I'd like to hear on this forum whether the riders reckon they got racing value for money.
I believe MA are presently deciding who has won championship classes.
So you can all grizzle and complain, I was PRETTY STOKED!! |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
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Posted - 08 Nov 2004 : 6:45:39 PM
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David, I know you have pictures on the site, but the guy that I've listed is professional and will sell you prints of yourself racing, taken with a big telephoto lens.
- Didn't mean to set up competition, but the site is worth a look.
www.spbikepix.com
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keith campbell
Level 3 Member
Victoria
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Posted - 08 Nov 2004 : 7:09:05 PM
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| We might have to get both tassie bound ferries in melbourne this time next year to get all the competitors over the sea for the Championships next year. Thanks to Malcolm "Wally" Campbell for giving us 12 months notice. |
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Posted - 08 Nov 2004 : 8:06:06 PM
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Hi Alan,
I am glad you enjoyed the recent Historic Titles at Winton. Unfortunately for me and a number of others the whole event was soured by the belligerent attitude of the Clerk of Course and the MA Steward. Add to that the unsafe combining of different periods into one race without even a 10 second delay like we used to have in the old days, insufficient corner marshalls, pick-up vehicles on the track during the racing, pit-shed PA's that were unintelligible, one scrutineer, forcing all place-getters to strip the bikes despite no protests and without the option of sealing...the list goes on.
As for the fact that there was no publicity simply relegated the whole show to nothing more than a club event. It should be encumbent on the "promoters" to allocate a budget to actually promote the event, otherwise the sport will just die.
Like Alan, I thought the racing was pretty good, but who saw it ? If the promoter doesn't reckon the event is worth doing properly, then it should not have been awarded it. It was the Australian Historic Championships after all. The riders put on a great show in spite of MA's and the promoters worst efforts, and they deserve better ! |
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Patrick
Level 3 Member
Victoria
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Posted - 08 Nov 2004 : 8:34:28 PM
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Welcome Martin-you are among friends. Hope you stay around and help the cause.
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Posted - 08 Nov 2004 : 8:40:16 PM
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| Hi Alan, I too turned up for my first open road race meeting in 15 yrs and I have got to say that I have seen better organised club moto-x events. As a road race event it was an absolute disgrace. People can bitch about progressive grids etc but safety is the most important thing a promoter should be considering. If there had been a serious accident on the Friday the Benalla Auto Club would no longer exist. Try explaining that you could not afford a corner marshall/ flaggie. As for mixing the classes, s*&%@t 251-1300cc I thought there were rules against that. When asked the Steward replied, "MA approved the meeting program". While I am on the roll, which idiot allowed the pick up vehicle to drive across the track during a race and then proceeded to park on the run-off area in line with a falling bike/rider? What about blue flags to indicate that a faster rider was coming thru? One thing is for sure, Benalla Auto Club with Mick Ronke's (attitude) in charge has not changed in 20 yrs of motorcycle racing, the comment of his at the riders briefing on Sat" hurry up it is your time youre wasting' summed it all up for me! |
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keith campbell
Level 3 Member
Victoria
248 Posts |
Posted - 08 Nov 2004 : 10:02:30 PM
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 Where are the results going to be posted and when 
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trumpybob
Level 2 Member
New South Wales
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Posted - 08 Nov 2004 : 10:27:41 PM
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Alan, section3.2.12.1 of the G.C.R's says that results in any Australian titled event must be faxed to M.A. by 9 am on the monday next following the event, so how come M.A. are deciding who won? what happened to the trophy presentations on sunday?
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Alan
Forum Moderator
Western Australia
353 Posts |
Posted - 08 Nov 2004 : 10:34:58 PM
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God where do you begin. If Alan Cotterel thinks this was a well run meeting then where do we go from here.
At every Title meeting I have been to there has been a great feeling amongst competitors and officials in spite of various problems as in 1998 the brake rule problem, at Mallalla who had to endure the first meeting implementing Log Books and we got through them with no long term bad feelings. Add to that the lack of a token gift to all competitors which has been a normal thing, no commentary at the most expensive garages, a PA system that you cannot hear, the gates opening late on the first day, the Security guy was prevented from opening on time by a female employee of Winton who shall remain nameless, no trophies for the classes as laid down by GCRs, no trophies for the support races as is normal practice, no presentations at the end of proceedings and the debacle over engine measurement. No wonder our sport is going backwards.
Yes the racing would have looked good to the uninitiated but how would you feel being on a single leading shoe equipped bike braking into a corner and a disc braked bike swoops in front of you and stands on his brakes leaving you nowhere to go. No one wanted to listen to the riders and this really does need addressing somehow, putting riders into dangerous circumstances like this for the sake of reducing races is not on in my opinion. I have not touched on the flag marshall situation which on every day was inadequate but picture what may have happened if Peter Seniors accident had happened on Friday when there were only two points manned. The first riders would have known he was unconscious on the track would have been when they ran him over. I could go on for ever but I will say that I have never been to such a poorly run meeting in my life including hill climbs, black events and so on.
I did start to enjoy my track time by Sunday afternoon but by then my weekend was done, the moral of that little story is never take an untried bike interstate it can be very frustrating.
Lets get in contact with Tassie and make sure that we help them avoid the problems of this year.
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Alan
Forum Moderator
Western Australia
353 Posts |
Posted - 08 Nov 2004 : 10:40:19 PM
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Any awards can only be provisional because there was a lot of engine measuring taking place and I do believe some riders objected to stripping their bikes at Winton and the Steward apparently insisted that they did. Maybe there are some issues that need resolving because of this, protests and appeals etc.
There were no presentations at all it was pathetic and because we spent the extra money to have a good garage we couldnt hear the commentary so wouldnt have a clue who won what.
Alan Sidecar 21 WA
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matcho mick
Advanced Member
New South Wales
570 Posts |
Posted - 08 Nov 2004 : 11:40:18 PM
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well it was certainly a circus from an observation point of view!watching 500 p3/p4 riders "dummy"gridded on sunday,carricks sent off to the start line ,the rest in dribs & drabs,over 5-10mins intervals even the pickup guys (3 of them) got in on the act,(car mentality,air cooled motors, huh??)the racing certainly looked good,(to the uninititive),pity there were no (paying)spectators to appreciate it ,actually was a bit processional after 4 laps,the big fields spread right out the whole way round,some were being lapped after 3 laps,still i guess that's racing,i caught up with web tarts David,the 2 Alans,missed John,(then again i wasn't hangin around the sidecars boys?)whitey,& steve,thought i experienced a near jayne sighting(false alarm i think? )a lot of interesting bikes to look at,nice seeleys,weird cz's,giggle at some of the "moderner" ducati getting flogged by the bevels,prewar was a good battleground all weekend,sidecars were wicked,(pity about the oil spill  ),but finally saved for last! the engine measuring ,watching the nzedders wheeling away that beautiful coal black bike in pieces was pretty sad ,hope they come back,understandedly frustrating for eveyone concerned,tempers were fired up,what a bastard, disturbing a perfectly good motor in search of "apparently bad sportsmanship",don't hold your breath waiting for results either,(not all were measured),loved the "no presentation concept"on a real winner there,mainly i guess coz the recipitants were elewhere engaged, pulling motors apart?, congradulations Winton,weirdest meeting of the millinium, come back Shirley all is forgiven |
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Posted - 08 Nov 2004 : 11:47:39 PM
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Well good guy Alan, don't worry about Alan C thinking it was a well run meeting, its the first meeting hes had anything to do with and thousands of people will make sure its his last. Were starting to hear back from guys who went and some of them rekon friday should have been abandoned it was so poorly run and dangerous if anything happened and they also reakon the timing and grids would have been more accurate if the local school kids did it with home made calendars and crayons. I know guys sorta enjoyed themselfs but then if you told them there was a chequered flag around the next corner they'd race for it, bottom line though is that heads should roll after this fiasco. If this doesnt prove that MA is run by a pack of incompetants then what will, Ross Martin & Co should been at winton picking up all the peices that those idiots were dropping everywhere. Where was Ross Martin & Co, at the Stars at phillip island were told. lots of bad bad stories about the clerk of course and more about the idiot who runs the track. No trophy's is to be expected, thats a decision that probably Ross Martin and winton made for a bit of a joke. I rekon everone should throw all there overweight behind tassy so next year things can get to how they should be.
To David and the other guys who went to winton just to try and get me out on a date, we didnt go, I said we wernt going a few times and i'm glad we didnt. and where were you all a few years ago?
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Alan
Forum Moderator
Western Australia
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Posted - 09 Nov 2004 : 12:45:13 AM
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Snoozer I hate being wrong but this time around you are absolutely right and for that matter were before the event, one thing you didnt pick up on was that the two Victorian based Commissioners were also absent or hiding very well. Something else that no one picked up on was that it seemed to be a NSW run scrutineering team, yet another failing of Wintons who couldnt recruit assistance anywhere by the looks even one of the flaggies was a WA volunteer.
You mention where we all a couple of years ago, do you mean the last Championships at Winton? If so I can show you a copy of a very scathing report from one of our riders who did attend and although that meet was run by the HMRAV most of the problems, not all, related to the staff of Winton Raceway.
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Posted - 09 Nov 2004 : 02:07:14 AM
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Questions
Who was the over zealous scrutineer?
The Clerk of Course?and the Steward?
Wouldnt want to be them at the moment!!!
As for Ross+Co being at the Island Snoozer I didnt see them there but must admit Ive got better things to do with my limited time like cleaning grime off the underside of the outfit.
I reckon they may have stayed home working out home to sabotage next years Champs!!!
As for the lack of flaggies how the hell was the event permitted to run,and the recovery vehicle on track DURING a race is a beauty!!!
But I suppose that will happen when you let a car club loose trying to run a motorcycle event.
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Allan
Site Moderator
National
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Posted - 09 Nov 2004 : 05:04:28 AM
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 Is this TRUE in 40 years of racing and following motorcycle racing it's hard to beleive that so much FLAX about a race meeting, and only the day after the meeting! WHY are we so silly letting a "car" mob who are only interested in making monie run such a major race meeting?? I believe that machine/motor examining can be done later if the motor is sealed by the examener, maybe rules have changed??  |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
2147 Posts |
Posted - 09 Nov 2004 : 08:16:37 AM
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I believe the 'recovery vehicle on the track' you refer to was the crash crew which is contracted to look after the whole Superbike Series. Apparently the paramedic saw a rider come down, and not move. He took the decision to move to his aid immediately, as he did at a previous accidentsome time ago when a rider fell, and he got there to find he had swallowed his tongue, and was suffocating. That guy would have died.
I don't know whether you would call the scrutineer 'over-zealous'. After all it IS A CHAMPIONSHIP. I understand some riders have refusaed to have their machines measured ! What does that mean?
There was a lack of officials at the Friday practice sessions, which was run as normal private practice (no qualifying sessions). How many of you guys offered to help?
Thanks for your comment Alan Warner, I saw you have a few good rides over the weekend.
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
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Posted - 09 Nov 2004 : 08:26:47 AM
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The MA Steward at the meeting was a well-known A grader from the Sixties and Seventies, Rob Madden. What a hero? If I had had his job, I would have become famous for bringing the sport into disrepute.
Allan, about that crack about a car club running the meeting. That's what this B*ll**** is all about! Who is going to underwrite the meeting next year, we've already worn out our welcome at a couple of places with the championships? How about you contact Wally Campbell and help him run the next one in Tassy?
I apologise for giving our own meeting the big rap up, self-praise is no recommendation. But as I said before - what a balltearer of a meeting? |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
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Posted - 09 Nov 2004 : 08:34:11 AM
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David, I'm sorry the Championships at Winton didn't 'feel as good' as the meeting at Phillip Island. If you give us two years start next time, we'll try to have Ago and the MVs, or Team GLam there (I'm not Joking). Tim Barber is coming to NZ in 2006, do you want Winton to run the Chamionship meeting then, and get a few of his MVs, and Porcupines to compete?
Benalla Auto Club might even make a quid out of the misery of running an Historic Championship! Allan Greeening wouldn't like that! |
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acotrel
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Victoria
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Posted - 09 Nov 2004 : 08:46:31 AM
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| Roger, please don't be insulted by Mick Ronke's attitiude. He also tells the car guys 'either race or f*ck off, when they start their bullsh*t! So he's not just picking on you! Without him we probably wouldn't have had a championships this year, and I'll be surprised if anyone other promoter will want them next year! |
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acotrel
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Victoria
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Posted - 09 Nov 2004 : 08:50:12 AM
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| You might be interested to know the Director of MA was at the meeting. Made an encouraging comment about the programme. So you might have to get used to the new format. |
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Posted - 09 Nov 2004 : 09:38:06 AM
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Posted - 09 Nov 2004 : 10:00:36 AM
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I would just like to address some comments that have been made since my original posting.
Those of you who don't know Alan Cotterell may be thinking he is an apologist for the Winton Raceway, but I know he has the best interests of the sport at heart.
Nevertheless, his comment about the Recovery Vehicle on the circuit being actually a paramedic attending a rider who had swallowed his tongue may well be true, but there were other occassions that I personally witnessed where the recovery vehicle picked up rider and machine during an event, right on the line of the next faller.
Also, Friday practice sessions did in fact include official scrutineering and qualifying and stated as such in the Supp Regs.
What worries me now, is Alan's comment that the Director of MA thought the Winton program was a good thing. Well of course - MA approved the Supp Regs ! But I have not met a rider that was there that thought the same ...and it gets worse. How many of you know that Tasmania has been awarded the next Aust Historic Title event, despite there being only one bike in the State with a Logbook ? [edited by request to the Admin] I think it is about time we, as the people directly affected by the scandalous behaviour of MA and its coherts, started asking the hard questions. |
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Posted - 09 Nov 2004 : 10:39:10 AM
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I was lucky enough to meet the guys from Western Australia. They are a terrific bunch of guys and you can definitely see why WA was a great event last year. In terms of corner Marshall the morning session on Friday was run as a practice session as designated. It had three flag points as many as a club day race meet. The afternoon qualifying session was manned by 6 points I believe which is as many as the Road Racing Championship had earlier in the year for its Friday sessions. The crash rescue and safety crew had a qualified paramedic to the Peter Senior crash in 20 seconds and everyone I spoke to was appreciative of how the team worked. They are the same team contracted to the Road Race Championship. The reason officialling seemed a bit light was there where none of the usually Vic Bike officials. We had requested despite what John Daley has said officials from the HMRAV to help out on a couple of occasions. The first being in the first half of this year, when we agreed to take on the meeting after MA offered it to us we said that we have not run Historic Motorcycles before and would need the assistance of the Historic people hence the request to the HMRAV. The HMRAV voted not to support the meeting, Shirley Luke offered to help find officials a few days before the meeting but none of the HMRAV officials would attend. Less than 30 bikes from the HMRAV raced on the weekend in fact Vic only fielded 70 odd of the 250 entries for the weekend and looking back they fielded less than 20 entries of the 200 odd in WA. Lets hope the Vic’s put the politics behind them and actually go out and race in Tasmania. Mal Campbell looks to be putting a lot of work into next years event and unquestionable support should be given if classic racing is going to maintain an Australian Championship.
David results are available at
www.racetime.com.au/?event=w0413 I believe they where available online a few minutes after each race. Being the first Historic meet on the long circuit there are new lap records established I will see what I can find in relation to a list of these.
My phone number is (03) 57664235 if anyone wishes to discuss. |
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Posted - 09 Nov 2004 : 1:34:26 PM
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| HI THERE. GEEZ IM AMAZED AT THE HUGE RESPONSE ONLY 2 DAYS AFTER THE MEETING. WELL I WAS ONE OF VERY FEW GATE PAYING CUSTOMERS TO BE ADMITTED TO THE WEEKENDS RACING AS A MEER SPECTATOR. THE WEATHER WAS OFCOURSE CRAP, BUT OTHER THAN THAT THE RACING WAS GOOD TO WATCH AS A SPECTATOR FROM MANY POINTS AROUND THE NEW CIRCIT. MY MATE RUSS AND I HAD A GREAT TIME WANDERING ROUND THE PITS TALKING BIKES WITH PEOPLE AND MEETING ALAN (sidecar 21) AND OUR WEBMASTER DAVE AND HIS WIFE. I DIDNT FIND ANY OF THE OTHERS, BUT DIDNT SPEND ALL WEEKEND IN PIT LANE LOOKING. I TOO, AS AN EX RACER (AND SOON TO BE P5 RACER) FOUND THERE TO BE A FEW FAULTS WITH THE MEETING, EVEN AS A MEER SPECTATOR. I SAID TO RUSS THAT I COULDNT BELIEVE THERE WAS THE PICK UP VEIHCLE AND THE SUPPORT VEIHCLE, MAKING QUICK DASHES ACROSS THE TRACK WHEN EVER THEY WANTED BEFORE THE NEXT LOT OF BIKES CAME ROUND ! GEEZ, WHAT WOULD THEY HAVE DONE IF A BUCKET OF CEMENT DUST FELL OFF THE BACK OF THE TRAILER ONTO THE MIDDLE OF THE TRACK WHEN THEY WENT BOUNCING ACROSS THE TRACK BETWEEN BIKES. THE FLAGGIES WOULDNT KNOW WHAT FLAG TO FLY FOR THAT PROBLEM. THEY WERENT SHOWING ANY BLUE FLAGS FOR RIDERS ABOUT TO BE LAPPED, WHICH I SAW MORE THAN A FEW TIMES WHEN THE MARKED RIDERS NEARLY **** THEMSELVES AS THE FAST GUYS WHIZED PAST EM UNANOUNCED. I DID MY RESEARCH AND TOOK LOTS OF PICS IN THE PITS AND ASKED LOTS OF QUESTIONS, WHICH WAS HALF THE REASON FOR GOING TO WINTON. BUT AS A SPECTATOR, I HAD AN EXCELLENT WEEKEND AND ENJOYED ALL THE CLOSE RACING, BUT WAS SURPRISED AT THE LACK OF SPECTATORS. MABE THE WEATHER KEPT THEM AWAY? WHO KNOWS, MABE NO ONE KNEW IT WAS ON, EXCEPT RACERS AND THEIR ASSOCIATES............WHITEY. |
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David
Site Administrator
Australia
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Posted - 09 Nov 2004 : 5:03:53 PM
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OK, here is a message from David White (CEO) from MA on the Australian Historic Titles for next year:
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Originally posted by David White
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From: David White
Sent: Tuesday, 9 November 2004 11:59 AM
To: News Item
Subject: Australian Historic Titles Wrap
Name: David White
147 Montague St.
South Melbourne
Melbourne, Victoria 3205
Directed to: News Item
Comments: I would like to correct the gross inaccuracy in Martin Hone's last comment. Motorcycling Australia is in partnership with Motorcling Tasmania in a company Australian Motorcycle Week. This company manages an annual road tour in Tasmania. Australian Motorcycle week will NOT BE THE PROMOTER of the 2005 championship nor will any other company owned by MA.We are currently awiting a detailed proposal from Tasmania regarding the promotion of the championship.Further more before final approval is given for the event to take place in Tasmania MA must be satisfied regarding the safety of the proposed circuit. in that regard we are awiting plans of the circuit. Once they are received an inspection of the circuit will take place. This will all occur prior to Christmas.
David, I have found it easier to show the users the facts rather than only give them half an e-mail. Please do not be offended by my posting your e-mail to this site.
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Regards,
David
Webmaster & Owner of Classic Motorcycling Australia
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Alan
Forum Moderator
Western Australia
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Posted - 10 Nov 2004 : 8:02:49 PM
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Alan you keep mentioning that no promoter would want the National Championships. Funny that Queensland complained that they got overlooked this year as did the HMRAV. Next years are already allocated and there are two hats in the ring for 2006 add to that WA will host them any year they are available. I dont know where you get your info from but I would check it before you go to print.
If the Nats are so umpopular alocate them to WA every year it will save me thousands plus the riders WILL be looked after.
Alan Sidecar 21 WA |
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