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Former Member
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 Posted - 09 Dec 2004 : 10:45:28 PM
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i think its a bit embarrasing the way David and attacked acotril on that other web site. if he doesn't want to post his comments here then let him be, instead of trying to goad him into an arguement.
i really don't understand how anyone can blame him *PERSONALLY* for everything that happened at that meeting.
acotril's only mistake was to identify himself on this forum and then be involved in the running of a historic meeting.
we are such a great nation of knockers, too lazy to do anything ourselves and too quick to blame someone when it turns to shiit.
*note i said 'PERSONALLY' rather than blame the organising commity
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David
Site Administrator
Australia
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Posted - 10 Dec 2004 : 01:32:46 AM
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HHH,
I wasn't blaming him personally at all. I did not even start on him personally until he started to take personal attacks at me and this site. I mearly started that his comment: "This meeting brought out the best racing ever seen at an historic meeting in Australia." was not what was being said at other sites and then he started getting all defenseve. I was entiltled to my opinion on what I had seen at Winton and with people I spoke to at not only Winton but personally and made the call I did, and said "it was not the best".
There was no where in the entire message did I say that he was to blame for the titles problems personally, but I did say that Benalla/Winton was, so read again. I was also having a go at him for calling people like you an idiot and other users of this site as well, that is why I was questioning his comments which I have a right to do, like you have a right to post what you did, but I feel you are wrong with your comments saying "its a bit embarrasing the way David" and I was "trying to goad him into an arguement". It was the other way, he was goading me in to the argument.
I even stated about a "final comment" about the photos of the Spectator area and how Alan C turned around and tried to say "Incidently the photos you took of the spectator area at Winton were taken at Saturday lunchtime. (The canteen wasn't open).
P*ss poor effort, David.". Now I have a right to correct this which is what I did, then Alan went on and on and even threats of legal action.
I am not going to defend my actions anymore as I stand by my comments, but I will say that I have a right to defend myself and this site against idiots such as Alan C who turns around and calls both myself personally names and this site and it's users names and if you don't like, bad luck. I was only sticking up for the likes of you and others.
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David
Webmaster & Owner of Classic Motorcycling Australia
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Former Member
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Posted - 10 Dec 2004 : 10:58:43 PM
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David, on that other forum acotrel started that pictures were avalible on a 3rd website and he thought the raceing was...blah blah... the first swipe was in your reply.
apart from that 1st sentence in my post, the rest of my post wasn't directed at you.
don't you think 'challenging' him to a duel at macpark is more than a bit childish ? who cares how fast or slow his is/was, at least he has had a *go* at one time with is more than can be said for a few OTHER users around here.
to finish, can you really blame him for calling the users of this forum idiots? the only thing he wasn't blamed for was the weather.
thank you for standing up for me, but i can look after myself.
*at racing and being involed in organising a meeting*
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David
Site Administrator
Australia
999 Posts |
Posted - 11 Dec 2004 : 08:29:22 AM
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So what you are saying is I did not have a right to my opinion. Alan C stated something, not only I witnessed it, but so did others and I made a comment about it, but I was not allowed to do so or point others to those comments?quote:
Originally posted by HHH
David, on that other forum acotrel started that pictures were avalible on a 3rd website and he thought the raceing was...blah blah... the first swipe was in your reply.
It is like say for example, you go and buy "product x" and it is total rubbish and you know it is. The manufacturer of "product x" says it is the best thing since sliced bread on a medium that you can reply to, are you not going to reply and tell others of your experience with "product x"? Thats all I was doing, but you are saying I don't have tha right in your logic.
As for this, Alan C was stating that I did not know nothing about racing and would not be able to, so I was pointing out what I had seen at Mac Pack and I would hop on any track (any track) and challenge him if he wanted.quote:
Originally posted by HHH
don't you think 'challenging' him to a duel at macpark is more than a bit childish ?
It is not childish at all, I am willing to put my butt in to a seat and prove him wrong.
Yes this is a great comment not. So it is fine for him to call users of this site idiots (and I am glad yo can defend yourself), but when it comes to users calling him an idiot it's not.quote:
Originally posted by HHH
to finish, can you really blame him for calling the users of this forum idiots? the only thing he wasn't blamed for was the weather.
Where is the logic in that? I am sure if the people that went to the titles could blame Winton/Benalla (notice I said Winton/Benalla?) they could of for the weather, but even the users here know there not that good.
Bottom line in your logic is that I am not allowed to have an opinion on a comment that was made by someone that I witnessed and what others had also commented about, which was the completely different to what they said. I am not allowed to show the facts to what they said and get the full picture out there to show it was again the opposite to what they had stated and neither are others and finally are all idiots on this site.
When I first said that the the PCRA of NSW forum wasn't he place to comment on this, Alan C agreed and started on the topic of PCA in Vic and gave the impression that he had only done it this year, but I pointed out it was done in May 2001 so he went back on the defensive and again and started going with what I believed to be ill informed comments and attacks.
Look I know I may of said the wrong thing on the PCRA of NSW's forum, but I was baited just as much by Alan C.
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David
Webmaster & Owner of Classic Motorcycling Australia
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Former Member
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72 Posts |
Posted - 11 Dec 2004 : 10:25:25 PM
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so we agree that everyone is entitled to an opinion?
well you know my opinion on this subject and i am aware of yours.
how did you come to the conclusion i thought you didn't have the right to your own opinion?
i merely pointed out in my opinion your response was childish and you have done nothing on this subject to change my opinion, actually you have reinforced this by your statements, but thats only my opinion.
as for the 'bottom line' of my logic, your opinon of that is infact wrong.
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haf
Does not want to be here
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Posted - 12 Dec 2004 : 03:34:57 AM
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| david, you are the omnipotent here and therefore have a certin amount of responsibility to remain incommunicado. if some one makes a personal attack on you or the members of this forum YOU should be the person that is seen to be rising above it. on the 16 of november you deleted something that i wrote to another member and replaced it with "[moderated]No Personal Attacks Even In Response To a Personal Attack [/moderated]"the only way this topic will end is if you stop contributing to it. every one has an opinion on this subject opinions are neither right or wrong they are just opinions, now it seems like you are attacking anyone who dose not aggree with your opinion.directing people to another site to see what a member of this site is writing there is immature and you should not try to justify it. how can any of these comments be positive for the sport. you should delete every thing on these pages,because now that a challenge has been thrown down all that can happen next will be a shouting match to see who has the BIGGEST DAD!-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------PLEASE NOTE THE ABOVE IS AN OBSERVATION an observation is the act of noticing or something noticed. IT IS NOT AN OPINION |
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David
Site Administrator
Australia
999 Posts |
Posted - 12 Dec 2004 : 04:07:43 AM
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Alan C, Haf and HHH,
I am only human and was passionate with the sport, but since you think I am unfair and conducting personal attacks first, well I need to remind you that you 3 are part of the reason I have decided the following even though you 3 decided to personally attack me first:
Sorry guys and girls, but I don't care anymore. I am the bad one for making my opinion known, and I just don't want to know about it. I gave it a go, then people told me I did the wrong thing and Alan C has even said I know nothing about the sport.
So the site and all it's content is up forsale. I don't really care which one as I have better things to do than listen to a minority winge and moan even with the facts stacked up against them and I point it out with the facts and I am the BAD ONE.
Sorry to the loyal posters and readers of this site, but I feel that I could better spend my money on something that I would now enjoy than some place for a couple of moaners that do not want to see the sport grow and for them to vent their petty anger on for their short comming since the Aus Titles. (I will also give the clue that it isn't you Jayne)
I feel it is bad when some bad apples make it bad for the true, passionate person who beleives in the sport. I'll let you all work it out who are they are. No use writing to me as I don't care anymore and I hope that they fall and they reliase what they have just stuffed it for the rest.
End of topic, from me anyway.
With bitter sadness to the loss of a site like this to your sport. Hope you enjoy your new found freedom Alan C...
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David
Site Administrator
Australia
999 Posts |
Posted - 12 Dec 2004 : 11:05:36 AM
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And so I start it do I? Alan C has just taken a dig at me from a topic I started on the PCRA of NSW's site before the Titles and comment after the title to show photos where online and Alan C has insisted on insulting me again, by calling my photos, and I quote: "makes David Greening's photos look pretty weak".
All at: You must be logged in to see this link.
No wonder that I have grown to loose all the respect I had for him and this sport. Here I was trying to do the right thing and there is the knocker like Alan C. I had even removed the rubbish both him and I put on the other site as I reliased it was bad for the sport. |
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David
Webmaster & Owner of Classic Motorcycling Australia
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 12 Dec 2004 : 11:52:24 AM
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David, I can feel your disappontment, whilst I have mentioned to you I felt some of the latest posts have not been good for anybody, I can see that perhaps a truce for a few days in needed.
I too have behaved in the manner I have witnessed but if you all settledown and thinkabout what is really important to yourselves firstly and then our sport you may se things differently.
David, I dont underestimate the amount of effort you have put in to this site, the HMRAV site keeps me busy enough.
But it would be a pity of the actions of the recent past means we dont have a site.
I hope that others may have the same viewpoint and perhaps work to keeping it going in a pleasant manner that we can all look forward to reading rather than witnessing a slanging match for what ever reason.
So i ask everybody, what do you really want in a site? |
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' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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David
Site Administrator
Australia
999 Posts |
Posted - 12 Dec 2004 : 8:27:10 PM
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I would like to call it a truce and am even not replying to the derogitory comments posted by Alan C over at PCRA NSW forum.quote:
Originally posted by john
David, I can feel your disappontment, whilst I have mentioned to you I felt some of the latest posts have not been good for anybody, I can see that perhaps a truce for a few days in needed.
I am not going to comment on any of it from now on and will let those who "know better" to comment on the topic.
What ever happens, I will be looking ofr a buyer of the site, and prehaps they can do a better job than me, who knows nothing about the sport in running the site.quote:
Originally posted by john
But it would be a pity of the actions of the recent past means we dont have a site.
I hope that others may have the same viewpoint and perhaps work to keeping it going in a pleasant manner that we can all look forward to reading rather than witnessing a slanging match for what ever reason.
So i ask everybody, what do you really want in a site?
I would also like to know what others think of what they really want in the site!
Also do not look at the photos that I took of the titles as they are piss weak according to someone that knows all, after all I know nothing. 
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David
Webmaster & Owner of Classic Motorcycling Australia
Quote: I thought I wanted a career, turns out I just wanted to be paid. |
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Alan
Forum Moderator
Western Australia
353 Posts |
Posted - 13 Dec 2004 : 12:44:15 AM
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David I thought you were a bit bigger than you appear to be after meeting you at Benalla. Letting ill informed guys like Alan C get you down isnt the way to pass this site on to someone else. Maybe the best option would be to stop the immediate postings as they happen now and truly moderate them before they get posted on here.
You asked what we want from a web site, from my point of view it should be a site where people can discuss the issues of Historic Motorcycling not just racing but motorcycling in general. Discussions shoud be open but without personal attacks on anyone, there should be absolutely no reason to indulge in the types of comment that have been made on here from time to time. We are here or should be at least to discuss the good and bad points of our chosen hobby/sport and to come up with ideas to make the future better all round. This might all sound a bit corny but remembering that while not many comment on here it is read by thousands including MA staff and its Commissions this could be a very good tool for getting our message through if used better.
I could go on but it sounds like you have made your mind up and as i cant see anyone wanting to buy in to this site there is probably no point carrying on. Maybe you could try MA, they could do with a discussion site for all facets of motorcycle racing.
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Ben
Honda CB350 Racers Promotion - Moderator
Victoria
288 Posts |
Posted - 13 Dec 2004 : 11:47:39 AM
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Hi David,
That you plan to sell the site is very sad news. I have used this site extensively over the last year or so and have learned a great deal about the machines, the sport and the people. You have done a great job, don't let the hecklers get you down.
Anyway, I hope the site dosen't cease to exist, but if it does, then thanks for your efforts and best of luck. To those giving David a hard time, you should lay off a little and realise that he is helping EVERYONE within the sport with this site. We can all see that this topic has degenerated beyond what is acceptable discussion and has caused far reaching personal impacts, surely this is not what people are after?
Cheers,
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David
Site Administrator
Australia
999 Posts |
Posted - 13 Dec 2004 : 5:15:44 PM
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Just so you know, I have been in talks with certian people who will remain nameless and I would like to thank not only them for their support, but also the people who are being open on the site here and giving me support that way.
I would like it also known, that I am having second thoughts about selling the site after numourous talks with different people and have realised I jumped off the deep end because of the wrong reasons and should not of let that person get to me. So the person who put in an offer already for the site, (I will not mention who you are, as you know who you are) but would like to say thank you, but I can not at this stage sell the site.
There is one person that we all know I have been having a public slangging match with, and I would like it known, that I will no longer allow this person on this site and will not reply to their comments on other sites. I know that the comments can only make it worst not only for ourselves, but the sport overall.
With all this in mind, I will close this topic and we should focus on the future of the sport and what we can do to improve it which will require change from all aspects of the Classic, Post Classic and Historic motorcycle racing community.
Thanks again to those who helped. Thanks also to those who thought that I did the wrong thing, I have now learnt from that and will not allow it to get to me either from now on.
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Regards,
David
Webmaster & Owner of Classic Motorcycling Australia
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Former Member
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72 Posts |
Posted - 15 Dec 2004 : 11:26:20 PM
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who started this topic post?
sure wasn't me, shouldn't the author get the credit?
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There are those who do, those who used to do and those who never did..
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Former Member
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Posted - 15 Dec 2004 : 11:34:02 PM
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i would have called it
"Lawyers, Gun's and Money"
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There are those who do, those who used to do and those who never did..
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matcho mick
Advanced Member
New South Wales
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Posted - 15 Dec 2004 : 11:50:21 PM
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 i think " a momentary lapse of reason" would be more apt?  ,hooray for common sense  |
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David
Site Administrator
Australia
999 Posts |
Posted - 16 Dec 2004 : 06:24:07 AM
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Well you were the first to go off topic in the original message, so I broke it away from the original topic and since you called Alan C's mistake was to identify himself on this forum.quote:
Originally posted by HHH
who started this topic post?
sure wasn't me, shouldn't the author get the credit?
I called it the above. So it was you that started it. So the credit is all yours.
Now the topic is locked which is what I should of done the other day.
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David
Webmaster & Owner of Classic Motorcycling Australia
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